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1 posted on 06/05/2013 7:11:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Uh ... fellas? It’s all lies. Has been for some time. Your whole market thing is a sham. Didn’t you know?


2 posted on 06/05/2013 7:14:38 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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ask Odungo, he’ll tell you the truth


3 posted on 06/05/2013 7:14:51 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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If there are less people working now than 5 years ago...

If a train leaves Chicago at 60 miles an hour with a destination of...


4 posted on 06/05/2013 7:17:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Yes, the numbers were worse than expected. And in addition to the problem with the ADP, there are further weaknesses, as pointed out in an email today sent out today from Chris Low, Chief Economist at FTN Financial, a primary bond trader:


In addition to ADP, there were a couple of other labor related indicators released this morning. The first was productivity, which was little revised in the first quarter. What was revised was unit labor costs, which plunged 4.3%, the biggest drop in years. The weakness resulted from a 3.8% plunge in compensation per hour which in turn reflected the biggest drop in hourly wages ever recorded. Compensation was weak because pay was pulled into the fourth quarter, but for some reason the BLS did not recognize it until the revision.

The second piece of news was in the ISM non-manufacturing report. The headline activity index was about as expected at 53.7. But the employment index fell to 50.1, the same as the manufacturing index and the weakest since December 2011.

Bottom line: All three labor-related indicators today suggest weakness. The ADP and ISM reports point to slow hiring in May, while the revised compensation figures in the productivity release suggest a deterioration in the quality of jobs in the first quarter. (Though this latter is in part a reflection of timing as employers anticipated a tax hike on January 1.) All three point to a weak employment report, both in terms of job quality and quantity.

—Chris Low


5 posted on 06/05/2013 7:17:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I don't think the bond-buying program has anything to do with the strength of the U.S. economy, the job market, or anything else like that. It's primary purpose is to take non-performing (i.e., worthless) securitized mortgages off the hands of instituional investors so they can make new loans. If the Fed slows down its bond purchases, then this means their job is almost done.

If I'm right about this, then mortgage default rates, not GDP growth or the unemployment rate, are the best indicator of the Fed's bond purchase plans.

8 posted on 06/05/2013 7:20:01 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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>> So which is it?

Why does it have to be either one?

The equities market is fickle, in the short term. Always has been — always will be.

explaining day to day moves with precision is a fool’s errand.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 7:28:24 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (S)
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if ya have to ask, well... maybe you shouldn't have the job
12 posted on 06/05/2013 7:32:51 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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If there is neverending confusion, the answer is usually no.


13 posted on 06/05/2013 7:37:40 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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Over the last 12 years, January 2001 to January 2013, the United States added a combined total of 2,291,000 jobs both government and private sector.

The average addition of jobs over 12 year periods from 1965 through 2001, was 20,833,000 per 12 years.

This last 12 years saw a jobs increase of 1.73% over the 12 years. The average normal increase every 12 years (again 1965 to 2001) was 28.79%.

From 2009 to 2013, Obama added 1,208,000 jobs. The normal average for four years is 7,887,000.

So you tell me folks, is Obama creating a massive number of jobs?

Not hardly.

It shouldn’t surprise folks too much to know that Bush added 0.82% new jobs in his two terms. Yep, less than 1% growth. The general 8 year average growth 1961 to 2001 was 19.05%.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3025870/posts?page=9#9


14 posted on 06/05/2013 7:39:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were Iviolated...)
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I will make it easy for these fools - the economy sucks. They are lying about the stats. Stupid fools blinded by greed and can’t see what is about to go down.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 7:40:29 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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The title of this article is misleading. Every trader knows that the current boom/bust market is not based on people’s opinions or thoughts on the market.


17 posted on 06/05/2013 8:06:30 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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“Traders Confused: Is the Jobs Market Improving or Not?” Let me help you out here fellas NO it is not improving now go back and push the fake Dow up another few thousand points.


26 posted on 06/06/2013 4:43:50 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Speculators speculating on speculative actions based on news of possible speculative action in the near term


31 posted on 06/06/2013 10:18:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Lerner must be tried and executed..... crime against the Republic)
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"Traders Confused: Is the Jobs Market Improving or Not?"

Yep Job Market is improving in my little town. McDonald's is hiring.

Of course 4 businesses have permanently shut their doors in town so far this year taking about 45 jobs with them but Mickey Dees needs three workers so by Obama Job Counting Standards we have a net gain of 5 jobs in town. (I am using Obama Math, 3 jobs equal 5...)

32 posted on 06/06/2013 10:24:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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"Traders Confused:
Is the Jobs Market Improving or Not?"

38 posted on 06/06/2013 2:16:22 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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