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Teacher Lets Students Bring Nerf Guns to School for Project, School Suspends the Kids
Opposing Views ^ | 06/04/2013 | By Dabney Bailey

Posted on 06/05/2013 12:29:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

There have been a lot of news stories recently about young children being punished for talking about guns, making toy guns, owning toy guns, and drawing guns. This new story takes the cake: a group of students from Chase Lake Elementary School in Edmonds, Washington, asked their teacher if they could bring Nerf guns to school. The teacher gave permission, but the school punished the children with suspension anyway.

The students even had a perfectly legitimate reason to bring the guns to school; they wanted to fire foam darts 100 times as part of a probability experiment.

The school quickly enforced its zero tolerance policy and booted the students. In fact, they even suspended students who were simply present during the experiment. Shannon Shumard’s fourth grade daughter and sixth grade son got caught in the crossfire because they played with the guns, even though other students brought the guns to school.

The parents of the suspended students have said that they intend to appeal the suspensions, but the school stands strong by its convictions. “Again, it’s a matter of safety and it’s of the utmost importance. So even if it’s a toy, we take it seriously,” said Amanda Ralston, a spokeswoman for the school district.

The peculiar thing about this story isn’t that the school enforced such harsh penalties on the students – that seems to be the popular strategy nowadays. What’s odd is that the students were punished instead of the teacher.

Kids violating the rules is one thing, but punishing students after a teacher gave the Nerf guns a thumbs up is much more problematic.  

Shumard added, "If the teacher and the school staff don't even know their own rules, how are the children supposed to know them?"

All of these recent stories have called into question the severity of school gun policies. Do you think that being so relentless against guns will help prevent children from brining real guns to school, or do you think that the schools are overreacting to a bit of harmless fun?

Source: Komo News

 


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; clownsincharge; democrats; education; govtabuse; guncontrol; liberalfascism; nerfgun; noaccountability; noadultinsight; nomorescience; rapeofliberty; secondamendment
Is anyone surprised here?
1 posted on 06/05/2013 12:29:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

At some point—soon—we should recognize that we cannot get this country back, and we should plan to divide up the ruins in some reasonable way.


2 posted on 06/05/2013 12:31:25 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Responsibility2nd

HOLDER:
What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes. …

One thing that I think is clear with young people and with adults as well is that we just have to be repetitive about this. It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.


3 posted on 06/05/2013 12:31:54 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Responsibility2nd

About 2000, my daughter had a birthday party in the summer, and we had a water-gun fight. Plastic, colorful, squirt guns. Each girl was allowed to take theirs home. They were excited.

Not one parent allowed their kid to take the squirt gun home.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 12:32:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
they even suspended students who were simply present during the experiment

What planet did I wake up on?

5 posted on 06/05/2013 12:32:24 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: bgill

The one part of the equation I seem to be missing is why don’t we hear an equal number of stories of parents wanting school officials’ heads on pikes?


6 posted on 06/05/2013 12:34:29 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Responsibility2nd

Schools are generally supposed to teach children how they will be expected to act in society when they are grown. So, what are these zero-tolerance policies actually teaching them? Gun are inherently evil - unless the government issues one to you. Then they are righteous and good.

Progressives want the next generation to feel sick to their stomachs at the very sight of a firearm; a Pavlovian response so ingrained it can not be ignored. Our children are being psychologically programed every day, Guns are bad...Guns are bad...Guns are always bad...Only the State can be trusted with guns...


7 posted on 06/05/2013 12:34:46 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not the “Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” anymore...

America has become deathly afraid of its own shadow.


8 posted on 06/05/2013 12:35:06 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Indeed, there is no low below which a public school administration will fail to descend.

If and when revolution II occurs, I volunteer to man the guillotine.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 12:35:46 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Responsibility2nd

Zero tolerance is an attempt to push tyranny down our throats with the hopes that somebody will snap and the liberals can say, “SEE?! People can’t be trusted with guns or their own freedom!”


10 posted on 06/05/2013 12:36:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I truly hate what America has become.


11 posted on 06/05/2013 12:37:19 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: madprof98

We tried that 150 years ago. It ended with the government sending troops to kill anyone who disagreed with fedgod. It won’t be any different today.


12 posted on 06/05/2013 12:38:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

What we may see as overreaction by the school officials is actually pre-planned deliberate response. The intent is to completely suppress all thought of guns in any context by children so that they are totally conditioned to equate even the mere idea of a gun with immediate negative connotations.

It’s programming, pure and simple, “brainwashing,” if you will. We are trying to achieve total gun control through our children, as we have already done in the case of likening liberalism and massive government with good connotations, and individual liberties with bad, groupthink with good.

Any doubts on why liberals want to lower the mandatory school age, or impose Common Core on our kids?


13 posted on 06/05/2013 12:38:52 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: bgill

“they even suspended students who were simply present during the experiment”

Well, I am ‘near’ the scene of a shooting in Chicago (within about 2000 miles).

So I should be arrested for participation/accessory/obstructing justice, etc.?


14 posted on 06/05/2013 12:39:52 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Welcome to the United LGBT/Bolshevik insane asylum, courtesy of Cass Sunstein.
15 posted on 06/05/2013 12:40:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: ecomcon

You’re absolutely correct ecomcon. What this seemingly lunatic zero tolerance policy really is, is nothing but a systematic brainwashing project. It’s Pavlovian.


16 posted on 06/05/2013 12:41:10 PM PDT by VR-21 (I'm weary of being lorded over by criminals and gilded degenerates.)
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To: servo1969
Schools are generally supposed to teach children how they will be expected to act in society when they are grown. So, what are these zero-tolerance policies actually teaching them?

It teaches them that dogma trumps all else. You do as you are expected to do and don't complain when the rules change after the fact. School isn't about education. It is about learning to be pliant and unquestioningly obedient.

17 posted on 06/05/2013 12:41:26 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Not one parent allowed their kid to take the squirt gun home.

Wow. Did you and your kid become the neighborhood pariahs after that?

18 posted on 06/05/2013 12:46:38 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: madprof98

We have the means to get our country back but not the will.


19 posted on 06/05/2013 12:48:11 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

>> Not one parent allowed their kid to take the squirt gun home.

Pussies. We’re armed to the teeth with Nerf and water guns.


20 posted on 06/05/2013 12:50:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
We have the means to get our country back but not the will.

I'm afraid you're right... At least not the collective will.
21 posted on 06/05/2013 12:51:18 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Responsibility2nd

There used to be an old joke:

In the U.S., everything that is not prohibited is permitted.
In Germany, everything that is not permitted is prohibited.
In Italy, everything is permitted even if it is prohibited.
In the Soviet Union, everything is prohibited even if it is permitted.

It seems the joke is in serious need of updating.


22 posted on 06/05/2013 12:56:05 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: Responsibility2nd

Property tax protest time? don’t fund them.


23 posted on 06/05/2013 12:57:11 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Three years ago, I helped my son make a life-sized figure of Davy Crockett as part of a 5th grade project.

I thought it would look more realistic if Davy Crockett had a gun.

So I asked the teacher if my son could bring in a very realistic looking full sized Tennesee flintlock to accompany the figure.

The teacher cleared it with the principal. He brought it in and had no trouble at all. In fact, the teacher asked if he could use it as part of a Civil War camp they were having at school the following week.

And this is Connecticut.

School administrators, like the one in the article, do not need to be like this at all.


24 posted on 06/05/2013 1:04:20 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Responsibility2nd; All
Is anyone surprised here?
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” ― attributed to Albert Einstein

25 posted on 06/05/2013 1:27:38 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Tea Party should begin a national homeschooling movement to get every child out of the public school system.


26 posted on 06/05/2013 1:33:26 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: DPMD

‘....It’s programming, pure and simple, “brainwashing,” if you will.....”

Yes.


27 posted on 06/05/2013 1:44:17 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

People have got to get out and vote in these school board elections. You have fewer stupid rules if a school board knows they will be tossed next election. Its the only way you get the Gun Control Nutjobs out


28 posted on 06/05/2013 1:54:12 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Again, "Zero Tolerance" means "zero judgment", and that is how the administrators want it. As long as they can adhere blindly to the text of a rule, they can always blame the rule, and avoid any consequences for themselves. The district may face liability if anything goes awry, but the administrators themselves are never on the hook, because they never actually made any decision of any kind.

Liberals made great efforts to demonize the word "judge" ("Don't judge me!" and "I'm not judgmental", etc), and this is what we get when we can no longer trust authorities with the authority of their position. Truth, common sense, and justice are all sacrificed, because our litigious society has made it easier to hide behind regulations than to be an adult and stand by a decision. (Add in the emasculation of the male of the species by the Left here.)

29 posted on 06/05/2013 2:02:48 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I live in California, and I don’t know of people being that crazy. Our home hosts nerf gun, water gun, and laser tag paries throughout the summer.


30 posted on 06/05/2013 2:03:42 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Responsibility2nd

Time to sue the school districts, and every official involved. Enough such suits, and maybe then the crap will stop.

That, and home schooling or taking them to private schools. The less students enrolled, the less funding these assclowns get.

Hit them where it hurts - the wallet.


31 posted on 06/05/2013 2:34:16 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: luckystarmom
We're in NY and do the same. We also have a giant super soaker and have “shot” our neighbors on both sides, granted it was while we were in the pool and we were inviting their kids to come swimming!
32 posted on 06/05/2013 2:34:57 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

The ignorance of weapons can have the same harm as Knowing that it is just a gun!
What the educator is missing of course is the education of how and why guns are needed and what their use is! Myself from the age of nine was taught these things! Any parent that owns any weapon be it knife, gun, or any item that can cause bodily harm has to educate their chidern on the cause and effect of any weapon.
To try to make weapons nonexistant in the education of a child is a crime in it’s self. They love to teach SEX!
There is a real world out there!


33 posted on 06/05/2013 2:51:51 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Responsibility2nd
Things sure have changed... During my freshman year in high school, I got an "instructional" assignment, along with "props," in speech class. So I gave a speech on gun safety, complete with a Colt Trooper Mk3 revolver, a Remington 870 shotgun, and a Remington 700. My mother had to drive me to and from school that day, and I left the guns int the principal's office until my class, then put them back until the end of the day.

Of course, I was also on the JROTC rifle team, and we had a 50' range in the school basement, and shot every day after school, a 50 rd box of Winchester T-22, courtesy of the US Army. And the rifles were stored there as well, a combination of Winchester 52 and Remington 40XC single shot target rifles, also owned by the US Army.

Mark

34 posted on 06/05/2013 4:00:34 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: SeminoleCounty
People have got to get out and vote in these school board elections. You have fewer stupid rules if a school board knows they will be tossed next election. Its the only way you get the Gun Control Nutjobs out

I have read various statistics on the number of people that vote in School board elections, not one of them is over 10%. I am not going to hazard a guess as to how many of these parents voted last time but I am pretty sure I can guess how many will be voting next time.

35 posted on 06/05/2013 5:10:05 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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