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Edith Bunkerís place
New York Post ^ | 6/4/13 | NY Post Editorial

Posted on 06/04/2013 9:20:36 AM PDT by NJRighty

Jean Stapleton, a born-and-bred New Yorker immortalized in pop culture as the iconic Edith Bunker, died Friday in her Manhattan home at the age of 90.

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Today’s Queens is arguably America’s most diverse county.

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But what of “All in the Family” creator Norman Lear? Well, according to the ZIP code listed on his political contributions, Lear lives in the Brentwood hills of Los Angeles — ZIP code 90049, to be exact. That neighborhood’s population? It’s 84 percent white, 1.4 percent black, 8.7 percent Asian, with the remainder “other” and multiracial. That almost looks like Archie Bunker’s dream spot.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aitf; allinthefamily; bluezones; bunker; diversity; jeanstapelton; liberals; normanlear; nyc
I know her obit has been posted here before, but this is worth reading if only for the dig at All In The Family creator Norman Lear.
1 posted on 06/04/2013 9:20:36 AM PDT by NJRighty
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To: NJRighty

Lear didn’t create it. He adapted a British show that had been running for a few years already.


2 posted on 06/04/2013 9:22:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: NJRighty
Lear lives in the Brentwood hills of Los Angeles — ZIP code 90049, to be exact. That neighborhood’s population? It’s 84 percent white, 1.4 percent black,

And I love Blacks and Gays and Latinos
As long as they don't move next-door
So Love Me, Love Me, Love Me!
I'm a Liberal!


3 posted on 06/04/2013 9:25:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NJRighty

I bet it killed Ed Asner to sing these words.

All in the Family Lyrics
by (”Those Were the Days” by Charles Stouse and Lee Adams).

Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn’t need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.


4 posted on 06/04/2013 9:28:57 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Linda Frances

Ed Asner?

You mean Carol O’Conner right?

Ed Asner was on Mary Tyler Moore as Lou Grant.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 9:34:10 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Linda Frances

I don’t think the song was even written for AITF.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 9:35:37 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Linda Frances
Mister we could use a man

Like Herbert Hoover again.


Here's something interesting. In its first version the song went "Mister we could use a man like Calvin Coolidge again"

It was changed to "Herbert Hoover" because it was felt that using Coolidge was both too obscure and would help paint Archie and Edith in a more sympathetic light (as opposed to the bigoted a**hole and clueless/enabling wife). Hoover was both still well-remembered and despised by most of the public.

IIRC Lear and Reiner were pretty frikkin' horrified when both characters became almost instantly beloved. Meathead and Gloria were supposed to be the protagonists.
7 posted on 06/04/2013 9:39:14 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

or as the Mad Magazine parody of Archie put it at the time,
“America ain’t laughin’ AT me. They’re laughin’ WITH me!”


8 posted on 06/04/2013 9:41:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NJRighty

I seem to recall an episode of AITF where one of Archie’s friends sold his house to a black family. When Archie complained, the friend said something like, “Well, it’ll be all right, you have to get with the times, embrace diversity” or whatever, and Archie said, “Yeah, easy for you to say as you move out of this neighborhood and into a 100% white one!” Sometimes Lear did poke at liberals and expose their hypocricy.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 9:42:35 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: tanknetter

Where did you hear that? It’s pretty clear that Archie was the focal point. O’Connor and Stapleton got top billing.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 9:43:02 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Nea Wood

The scene in question is at 11:25...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF1ua0vHT0M


11 posted on 06/04/2013 9:45:51 AM PDT by Borges
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To: tanknetter

Lear was disappointed at Archie being liked, but the show was effective as a propaganda vehicle nonetheless and is considered one of the left’s greatest vehicles for changing American culture.

The show was aimed at middle America.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 9:47:23 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Borges
Where did you hear that? It’s pretty clear that Archie was the focal point. O’Connor and Stapleton got top billing.

I've heard/read it a number of places over the years. TV trivia books, etc.

Yes, O'Connor and Stapleton got top billing. But the plot was supposed to be about two "modern" (read: Liberal) young adults having to confront, daily, their completely backward and out of touch (read: Conservative) parents/in-laws. Meathead and Gloria were SUPPOSED to be the sympathetic ones, even if they were the supporting characters. But it didn't turn out that way.
13 posted on 06/04/2013 9:49:35 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: NJRighty

The final stifling.

SnakeDoc


14 posted on 06/04/2013 9:50:09 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: NJRighty
But what of “All in the Family” creator Norman Lear? Well, according to the ZIP code listed on his political contributions, Lear lives in the Brentwood hills of Los Angeles — ZIP code 90049, to be exact. That neighborhood’s population? It’s 84 percent white, 1.4 percent black, 8.7 percent Asian, with the remainder “other” and multiracial. That almost looks like Archie Bunker’s dream spot.

During the time AITF was popular I imagine that zip code was likely 100% white, other than possibly live in hired help in the neighborhood.

15 posted on 06/04/2013 9:53:34 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: ansel12
Lear was disappointed at Archie being liked, but the show was effective as a propaganda vehicle nonetheless and is considered one of the left’s greatest vehicles for changing American culture.

Yeah, and considering that the show preceded the 1980's resurgence of Conservatism/decline of Liberalism is proof that it succeeded, right?

AITF was supposed to be like M*A*S*H - a scathing commentary on major social/political issues designed to drive public opinion in a certain direction using the comedic (and Alinskyite) form of ridicule. But like M*A*S*H really didn't make the public anti-war/pacifistic, AITF really didn't stampede the public into Liberalism.
16 posted on 06/04/2013 9:56:46 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: NJRighty

Most of the “progressives” who claim to know all about African Americans live in communities where they never see any African Americans.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 10:03:29 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: tanknetter

LOL, how blind are you?

In your world America moved right because of Norman Lear’s most effective sitcom, and MASH?

All in the Family was incredibly effective for the left, as was show after show after show, including MASH, they all helped change the national perceptions of normal, of acceptable, of what people thought their neighbors were thinking.

The culture kept moving left, it didn’t stop, despite what you think.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 10:05:02 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Oops. I get my communist mixed up. Yes Carol O’Connor.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 10:07:27 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: tanknetter

Indeed. This is quite evident when one views the first, initial episodes (including the pilots). Archie Bunker was meant to be an unlikeable, unsympathetic lout, and Mike-Gloria the ‘enlightened’ youth. But O’Connor’s talent made his character so three-diminsional, and the audiences felt more empathy for him as a traditionalist (if not necessarily for his bigotry) than the whiney smugness of the Mike-Gloria youth generation.

I have no doubt that Norman Lear was not happy about this twist of events... but since the show was booming into a huge hit, Lear just rode with it and profited with it.


20 posted on 06/04/2013 10:07:44 AM PDT by greene66
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To: tanknetter

You must understand, a propaganda vehicle like All in the Family, or a Roseanne Barr comedy, or whatever, is not meant to make you suddenly wake up a liberal, it is to have a slow, corrosive effect, an accumulative effect to move things just a fraction left, drip, drip, drip, All in the Family was a better dripper than most, and is recognized as such for it’s being perhaps the most influential cultural sitcom ever.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 10:09:24 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: tanknetter
Here's something interesting.

Here's something more interesting:


22 posted on 06/04/2013 10:11:41 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: ansel12

i was 5 years old when AITF debuted... loved to watch it with my parents and much older siblings and even a niece and nephew... along with the spin-off Maude, MTM Show, the Carol Burnett Show, Bob Newhart... those were the days... i remember thinking when i grow up, i want my life to be like Mary Richards’ life... i loved her clothes, her apartment, her career and her friends...


23 posted on 06/04/2013 10:15:39 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: ansel12
LOL, how blind are you?

What, are you saying I DIDN'T see Ronald Reagan being sworn in as President on January 20, 1980? And sworn in again on January 21, 1984?

If those two things didn't happen (or are you making the argument that Reagan wasn't really a Conservative?), then yes, I'm clearly blind.

In your world America moved right because of Norman Lear’s most effective sitcom, and MASH?

Never said anything of the sort. My point is that the country actually became more Conservative despite the propaganda being put out by the then-much-smaller (and therefore more powerful) media and press. Again, ref the guy who was twice elected - the second time in a 49-state landslide - the 40th President of the United States.
24 posted on 06/04/2013 10:19:29 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Nea Wood
Archie was supposed to be a conservative but he was ahead of the times in calling his wife by her maiden name.

Dingbat.

25 posted on 06/04/2013 10:22:28 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: greene66

Funny. I usually sympathized with Archie Bunker. Yes, he was an ignoramus, but his heart was usually in the right place even if his reasons were not.

Archie Bunker reminded me of a kinder version of my Grandfather.

By the end of the show and its spin-off, Archie Bunker had done a 180 and was portrayed as a loveable, if somewhat ignorant person.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 10:23:36 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

MAD Magazine. I remember the issue came with a 45 record of Archie’s old army pal coming. It was Adolph Hitler!


27 posted on 06/04/2013 10:31:19 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: tanknetter

Amazing, to you, All in the Family wasn’t an effective part of the left’s culture war because the show did not prevent Ronald Reagan from defeating Jimmy Carter and Mondale in presidential elections.

Things don’t work that way, do you ever wonder why America thinks Palin is an idiot that can see Russia from her house, or is convinced that the only thing of historical note about the man who created the FBI and ran it throughout WWII and much the 20th century is that he was a homosexual who wore dresses, when none of those things are true?


28 posted on 06/04/2013 10:37:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: NJRighty

archie’s dream spot would have far less asians. just sayin. meathead. /sarc


29 posted on 06/04/2013 10:47:46 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Borges

That’s true.
To Death Us Do Part ...Johnny Speight created it

Others.

Steptoe and Son = Sanford and Son
Man About The House = Three’s Company
The Office (UK) = The Office (USA)
Men Behaving Badly (UK) = Men Behaving Badly (USA)
Strictly Come Dancing = Dancing with the Stars
Antiques Roadshow (UK) = Antiques Roadshow (USA)


30 posted on 06/04/2013 10:48:07 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: ansel12

incrementalism.

the dialectic at work.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 10:49:02 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Lorianne

In the British original, the son-in-law wasn’t just a liberal he was an outright Trotskyite.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 10:49:50 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Nea Wood
Are you sure it was to another black family? I don't remember that exact line, but there was an episode where a Hispanic couple was buying a house and both Archie and Jefferson (not George, his brother) were flipping out. They wound up not buying the house and even Jefferson was relieved when the new owners were white.

Another piece of trivia: Lear wanted Sherman Hemsley for the part of George Jefferson, but he wasn't available, so he created a placeholder character, his brother, Henry, who disappeared after George showed up.

33 posted on 06/04/2013 11:44:33 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
And I love Blacks and Gays and Latinos
As long as they don't move next-door
So Love Me, Love Me, Love Me!
I'm a Liberal!

Wow! Not often do I see Phil Ochs quoted on FR. Kudos!

34 posted on 06/04/2013 11:44:47 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

See Post 11.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 12:42:31 PM PDT by Borges
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To: greene66
I have no doubt that Norman Lear was not happy about this twist of events... but since the show was booming into a huge hit, Lear just rode with it and profited with it.

“”IBTimes: After about five seasons, “All in the Family” seemed to run out of gas — Nixon was out of office, the Vietnam War was over and U.S. society had drastically changed since the 1960s. Why did the show go on for another four seasons when it had little left to say?

Strate: It was popular, it was profitable, and commerce trumps art for the most part on television, which is why such programs often get stretched out in this way. But in all fairness, along with the lure of success, I think Lear and his colleagues felt that with this platform, they had a responsibility to continue to express their progressive views.””

36 posted on 06/04/2013 1:19:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: NJRighty

Lear was a jerk. His ex-wife said so.


37 posted on 06/04/2013 2:54:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: tanknetter
Hoover was both still well-remembered and despised by most of the public.

That's because he got the "Bush-hitler" treatment by the Democrat party that wanted to take his place. He was used as a whipping boy for all the evils since the Fall of Rome by all four terms of the commie-infested FDR cabal.

Sound familiar?

38 posted on 06/04/2013 2:59:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Tammy8
During the time AITF was popular I imagine that zip code was likely 100% white, other than possibly live in hired help in the neighborhood.

And the only hired help who could afford that neighborhood were "live-in" workers.

39 posted on 06/04/2013 3:02:13 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: ansel12
The culture kept moving left, it didn’t stop, despite what you think.

As the elites go, so goes the nation. Sadly, we are long past the time when people are allowed to make up their own minds, or make their own social policy in their communities. The federal government has been grabbing power at least since FDR -- almost a third of our nation's existence. FDR's advisors were largely infiltrated or influenced by active European Socialists or Soviet Communists.

Most Americans lived in rural than urban/suburban areas until 1939; but as the IRS and the growing use of electricity, telephones, radio and eventually television and the superhighway systems gathered power in the 50s, we were done for. It was all over but the shooting. The feminist movement and the push for all kids to go to universities, many far from home and family instead of the local State U., were planned incursions by Socialist International, whose motto was "make haste slowly."

There is a freeper named Progressing America who has a huge amount of documentation on his/her home page, including a transcript of the invaluable chronicle of socialist/communist infiltration written in 1964 and now out of priint, The Fabian Freeway.

40 posted on 06/04/2013 3:18:49 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Albion Wilde
That's because he got the "Bush-hitler" treatment by the Democrat party that wanted to take his place. He was used as a whipping boy for all the evils since the Fall of Rome by all four terms of the commie-infested FDR cabal.

Sound familiar?


Indeed it does.

When people bring up Hoover (ok, I run with a pretty historically-aware crowd, a lot of whom are unrepentant New Dealers) I like to mention that he was so incompetent that FDR actually appointed him to position(s) of real power and authority (not just token jobs) regarding war production during WWII.

OTOH, FDR's treatment of Charles Lindbergh was pretty much despicable. Just tonight I was in the local B&N and a new book titled "Those Angry Days" about the pre-war conflict between the FDR cabal and the America Firsters.

I'm a bit of a Lindbergh aficionado (fully acknowledging that the whole "America First" movement was wrong and wrong-headed), looked at the back of the jacket and saw glowing comments on the book from Maddie Albright, Chris Matthews and several other unrepentant Liberals.

So I decided to page through it (not about to spend any $$$ on it ... maybe when it hits the used bookstore)

The chronicling of FDR's blatant abuse of power and outright vindictiveness under color of authority when it came to "dealing" with America First and Lindbergh is ... breathtaking. We're talking serious police-state tactics here. Right down to the exercise of the 1917 espionage act to intimidate news outlets that were publishing leaks from members of the military opposed to FDR's policies.

I would LOVE to be in the audience when someone like Albright or Matthews or one of the other Libs on the back of the jacket were speaking and during the Q/A ask them whether - given that they'd read and provide positive reviews for the book - they saw any similarities between how FDR dealt with his political enemies and how Obama seems to have done so (IRS targeting of Conservatives and Conservative orgs, AP wiretappings, etc).

Ok, I think that represents a genuine thread hijack. Sorry ...
41 posted on 06/04/2013 5:37:46 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
...The chronicling of FDR's blatant abuse of power and outright vindictiveness under color of authority when it came to "dealing" with America First and Lindbergh is ... breathtaking. We're talking serious police-state tactics here. ...

A most interesting post. How different things would be if they had succeeded -- perhaps no Vietnam War for us at all. Looking forward, it's daunting to think we can ever elect a group of men as principled and strong as we will need -- strong like our Founders -- to turn back the disgusting mess being promulgated now.

Stick a fork in us.

I did not know about this movement per se, nor Lindbergh's involvement in it. The Wikipedia and Conservapedia pages don't explain what FDR did to Lindbergh; but here is a most interesting chart from the Conservapedia page. It shows that, indeed, " politics makes for strange bedfellows."


42 posted on 06/05/2013 3:31:31 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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