Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

New York's Fracking Ban Suffocates New Yorkers
RCM ^ | 06/04/2013 | By Diana Furchtgott-Roth

Posted on 06/04/2013 7:01:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Upstate New York is in economic crisis. And New York's moratorium on hydrofracturing, or "fracking," is impeding recovery.

In New York City, private sector wages grew by 4 percent in real terms between 2000 and 2011. But in New York State's Southern Tier, in counties such as Broome, Chemung, and Tioga, wages declined by 1%.

Over the past decade, employment in New York City has grown by 9 percent. But in Binghamton and its surrounding suburbs, in Broome County, employment has declined by 11 percent over the same period. Elmira, Chemung County, has seen a decline of 8%.

These counties in the Southern Tier are among the 28 New York counties sitting above the Marcellus Shale, a vast subterranean expanse of rock shared by Pennsylvania and New York that is estimated to contain up to 489 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

Pennsylvania has allowed companies to use fracking to extract natural gas. Usually, this method is combined with horizontal drilling (in which the drill turns off the vertical to extend horizontally through the rock formation, allowing more of it to be tapped). Today, many Pennsylvania counties are bustling with this "unconventional drilling."

Although New York once allowed hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling, the state placed a moratorium on the technique in 2010. This year, the state government will either end that moratorium or make it permanent. While New York ponders, drilling companies hold their pre-2010 leases on land, uncertain whether they'll ever be able to use the resources beneath.

Opponents of fracking say that it pollutes the water and harms agriculture. A group of New York City chefs, called Chefs for the Marcellus, opposes fracking. "You shop at the farmer's market and eat at farm-to-table restaurants - but what if all that was threatened by fracking?" the group asks.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearmarkets.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: energy; environmentalism; fracking; naturalgas; newyork; ny

1 posted on 06/04/2013 7:01:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
The issue is being studied to death in NY.

No hard evidence of damage from fracking has been found, even by the Environmental Protection Agency. Residents of Pennsylvania and Ohio continue to buy local produce without ill-effects.

In an analysis of data from Pennsylvania, counties with hydrofractured gas wells have performed better in terms of income growth and employment than those which have no wells. The more wells a county contains, the better it performed. The study is available here.
2 posted on 06/04/2013 7:02:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Let hillary loving new york state rot away


3 posted on 06/04/2013 7:05:50 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

New York is broke. And the solution is underfoot. But the Marxists who would live to turn the state into a 3rd world backwater is voted in by the same idiots who complain about the economic situation in the state.

You can’t fix stupid. Especially the Arrogant stupid.


4 posted on 06/04/2013 7:06:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
New York's Fracking Ban Suffocates New Yorkers

I'll say!

5 posted on 06/04/2013 7:17:26 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

It is okay New York. Go ahead and study it some more.

While you were waiting, we found enough gas elsewhere to take of our current needs.

Maybe we can come back next decade and decide if we need more.

Welcome to the Alaska club.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 7:19:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The obvious answer for NY Staters is to move somewhere that has a reasonable economy. I remember back in the early 80s Buffalo had dirt cheap house prices because the job market was in a continuous decline.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 7:21:58 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
“You shop at the farmer's market and eat at farm-to-table restaurants - but what if all that was threatened by fracking?”

“.....WHAT IF.....” ???????

What if? A saying in our family was “With the word “if” you could put Paris in a bottle”.

Obviously, if the bottle were big enough, or Paris were small enough.

I'm not going to list the innumerable “what ifs” I could come up with that would be more worrisome than fracking.

The fracking HOAX has replaced the global warming Hoax that was debunked. It's just the latest vehicle for the wacko environMENTALists, who are: Liberals/Progressives/LGBTers/Socialists/elitists and of course are totally CLUELESS!

Talk about “mind numbed robots” SHEESH!

8 posted on 06/04/2013 7:24:59 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vaquero

New York has plenty of money. New York City, Long Island, Westchester and Rockland are rolling in wealth, which is heavily taxed.

These rich people are the rulers, and if they would rather have organic argula than fracking, that’s the way it is. The people who live upstate are too poor and too few to have any influence.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 7:26:13 AM PDT by proxy_user
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

No guns, no big gulps, and now they can’t even frack?? What a dismal place!


10 posted on 06/04/2013 7:27:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

I’m reminded of a letter to some newspaper’s “ethicist” a couple of years ago. A couple of fellow travelers made the case that they were good people because they opposed fracking, they had always been good environmentalists, they supported small farms, etc. The dilemma: but now this evil company says they would like to pay us money to frack on *our* land — a *lot* of money for a number of years! What should we do?


11 posted on 06/04/2013 7:29:02 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
New York's Fracking Ban Suffocates New Yorkers

Fine by me. The "opposition" of the famous chefs as well.

My family's daily bread comes from the frackin' in the Bakken.

12 posted on 06/04/2013 7:33:14 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The left does not want it in NY. They have this mythical idea of this pristine upstate NY “play land” that they want to preserve. Upstate NY has been in decline for decades. One only has to look at the remnants of a once great manufacturing center and a great middle class lifestyle it supported.

Shale gas would once again support a manufacturing renaissance and good paying middle class jobs in the upstate, southern tier and western NY regions.

The left are demagogues and simply don’t give a damn how many lives they destroy.


13 posted on 06/04/2013 7:47:20 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: faucetman
The fracking HOAX has replaced the global warming Hoax that was debunked. It's just the latest vehicle for the wacko environMENTALists, who are: Liberals/Progressives/LGBTers/Socialists/elitists and of course are totally CLUELESS!

If you're right, then I suspect that's good news. I think this hoax will be easier for Joe and Jane six-pack to see through and ignore.

14 posted on 06/04/2013 7:54:00 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

NY used to have a very balanced economy. Upstate manufacturing, mining and farming balanced by trade and finance of NY City

Now it is completely unbalanced. The “financialization” of the US economy by the Fed and its primary-dealer banks means that Wall Street is the only game around. NY City came to dominate NY politics, so fracking-bans, pro-Gov’t and union regulations, and 1000 other rules and laws that make sense to Manhattan Progressives, have destroyed Upstate.

The ideal solution would be to split the State at the Hudson, but that will never happen.


15 posted on 06/04/2013 7:58:58 AM PDT by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Upstate NY might as well be another country to NYers who live in the NYC metro area. It is the place they get their drinking water, perhaps some local grown food, enjoy recreational activities, and their children might go to a University for a few years, Cornell or SUNY Binghampton. . The idea there are people who live there who need to earn a decent living is of no importance.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:04:05 AM PDT by C19fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PGR88

RE; The ideal solution would be to split the State at the Hudson

There has been an existing movement for Long Island to secede from NY State as well... As a Long Islander, I would welcome that.

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_New_York


17 posted on 06/04/2013 8:04:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: proxy_user

I live in the outer burbs and like you say we do ok. I know the upstate counties. And these people need to split from NYC and form a new state. West NY or some such. The same crap is happening in Californication. The San fag crisco’s and hollyweird La La landers are lighting their organic flambeys with 100 dollar bills. And voting themselves HIGHER TAXES to boot. They deny the farmers in the Central Valley water so the working farmer has to leave.

We as a nation are ripe for a CW.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 8:14:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Vaquero

Leave it is your only hope.. I left in 1981...and nothing has changed..in fact it is worse


19 posted on 06/04/2013 9:02:45 AM PDT by Hojczyk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Hojczyk

That would require a divorce. Wish I could.


20 posted on 06/04/2013 9:26:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: thackney

“Let the bastards freeze in the dark”


21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:34:41 AM PDT by Species8472 (Stupid is supposed to hurt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
"The Empire State Divide" is a video from Karen Moreau (of the Foundation for Land and Liberty) about New York's environmental ban on hydraulic fracking and the struggles of the people who presently own the land. A comparison is made to Pennsylvania where fracking is legal, the land owners are flourishing, and America is benefiting from tapping the energy resources.

The Empire State Divide - Part 1 - Ruins of the Hudson River
The Empire State Divide - Part 2 - A House Divided
The Empire State Divide - Part 3 – A Tale of Two States

Karen presented her short video (along with other people who shared videos on other free market issues) at the Grand Old Picture Show held in Tampa coincidental with the RNC convention last summer.

22 posted on 06/04/2013 4:39:05 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UB355

“Let hillary loving new york state rot away”

SCREW YOU!

If you had any ability to read you would see that this opposition comes from New York CITY.

The regions where the drilling would take place are nowhere near NYC and didn’t support Hillary.

I don’t suppose you are smart enough to read a map.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 4:59:57 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: proxy_user

“The people who live upstate are too poor and too few to have any influence.”

Correct. Yet Freepers continue to spout off about how we deserve this crap.

I am getting very close to taking my sorry assed New York self (and my monthly donation) somewhere else.

I am getting sick of hearing it from the ignorant arseholes that have infested this place.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 5:03:03 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson