Skip to comments.Ohio State president: Gaffes partly due to Mormon faith, isolation in Vernal when young
Posted on 06/01/2013 6:04:31 AM PDT by Utah Binger
By his own admission, Gordon Gee is an unlikely university president.
Born during World War II in Vernal, Utah, Gee took an unfamiliar path to be head of one of the nations most prestigious schools Ohio State University.
Now, the intelligent, quick-witted rural Utah boy finds himself embroiled in a controversy of his own making, which may be due in part to his roots.
Despite leading universities for more than half my life, I am a most unlikely university president. Unlikely by virtue of several factors academic background, temperament, faith, and family history, he told the Columbus Metropolitan Club in a March 27 speech.
The speech was given after a controversial speech last December in which Gee mocked Notre Dame, Roman Catholics and the Southeastern Conference, but before accounts had been reported by the media.
On Friday, details of a March 11 letter sent to Gee by the universitys board of trustees was reported by the Associated Press. The letter said Gees December comments embarrassed and divided the university and run the risk of diminishing the effectiveness of its efforts.
(Excerpt) Read more at standard.net ...
Southern Utah ping
He will take responsibility, head up a study that makes sure that this kind of thing never happens again, and then moves on...
He’ll follow in the footsteps of Hillary! She took responsibility for Benghazi, (wink, wink) and the press dutifly dropped the matter. (It’s only because of the families of those killed that kept the issue alive that Comgress is investigating it today)
Gee! And those retrograde 20th century values! Time to ditch them since there is no place for them. Just how did our parents and grandparent muddle through two world wars and the Great Depression? /s
Nashville was saddled with this imbecile running Vanderbilt (and his bat$hit crazy, drug-addled activist wife came as a part of the deal). My condolences to any locale who has to deal wit him.
Gordo, what in the heck does that mean?
Brother Gee has been reading too much of the doctrine written by McConkie IMHO.
The joke is they had this guy before, he left, and they hired him back after 10 years of screwing up two other schools.
Good question. Most of these types play the role but have coffee in secret in the faculty lounge. And they send their "little people" to the liquor store.
In Academics that is called “success”...
Sort of like fired sports coaches hailed as incoming heroes at their new team.
Is this the same guy who drove Christian groups off campus at Vanderbilt???
I grew up in a small town in Utah too...Isolation does not cause stupidity. When old Gordo was on his mission to Germany,
the book “Mormon Doctrine” was read extensively as an inspired document. That “great and abominable” thing was quoted by all the missionaries. Me too as I was in Denmark.
I managed to get over it though. Amazing how certain indoctrination sticks.
What scares you about the football program?
“Most of these types play the role but have coffee in secret in the faculty lounge.”
Frankly, I can’t blame them; I tried ‘Mormon Tea’ when I was camping in Utah and it is plumb pitiful.
Mind you, the publicly available coffee in rural Utah wasn’t much better back then in the pre-Starbucks day. ;^)
Urban Myer....University of Utah a few years back.
Jack Mormons ?
They are much more secretive than “Jack Mormons”. They are more like RINO’s in that they play both sides of the street.
And appearances are most important.
It was in that meeting [with the Ohio State Athletics Council] that Gee, a Mormon, talked about the Big Ten courting Notre Dame for membership, saying, "You just can't trust those damn Catholics." Gee also made jokes about schools in the SEC, saying, "When [the SEC] can learn how to read and write, then they can figure out what we're doing." He even made comments about Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, saying, "We need to make sure [Delany] keeps his hands out of our pockets while we support him."
Is he the one that ultimately decided to have Obambi as the speaker at the commencement ceremonies this year?
I’m coming down and will drop in. Is there a good timeframe - not too many tourists? say september maybe?
Wait, I heard he had trashed the Catholic church, but I didn’t know he dissed the SEC. Okay, NOW I’m mad.
Seems old Gordo is still carrying the 1958 copy of Mormon Doctrine.
What does the Book of Mormon say about the Catholic Church? Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie made it clear:
“It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this ‘church which is the most abominable above all other churches’ in vision. He ‘saw the devil that he was the foundation of it’ and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization. (1 Nephi 13:1-10)”
- Mormon Doctrine, p. 130 (1958)
“Literally a harlot is a prostitute; figuratively it is any apostate church. Nephi, speaking of harlots in the literal sense and while giving a prophetic description of the Catholic Church, recorded that he ‘saw the devil that he was the foundation of it.’ ... Then speaking of harlots in the figurative sense, he designated the Catholic Church as ‘the mother of harlots’ (1 Nephi 13:34; 14:15-17), a title which means that the protestant churches, the harlot daughters which broke off from the great and abominable church, would themselves be apostate churches.”
- Mormon Doctrine, pp. 314-315 (1958)
Yup, another confirmation of my long held belief to NEVER trust a man who wears a bow tie.
The reference to “20th centurty values” was part of Gee’s apology statement or letter or the university’s reprimand letter that he had to move off 20th century morals or values.
I guess that is why he jumped coach Meyer last year when he had the weaker players wearing pink or lavender shirts in practice, and the Gay community went bat-crap crazy.
Urban had to apologize to anyone who may have been offended, living or dead
Just checked the maps - I tented in Southern Utah about 15 years ago and loved the country; it is truly extraordinary. Should I pass through again, I’ll stop for a coffee!
No, he had already departed by then.
Note point 2 of Gee’s “remediation plan:
As Strother Martin once said, in Cool Hnad Luke, “You gotta get your mind right, boy!”
My cousin(who is conservative and Catholic) graduated from OSU last month. A pity she had to deal with this guy and Zero at her commencement.
This false stereotype is so old I am surprised anyone would have the brazen temerity to crawl out of an old stinky hole with it. Got Bigotry??
Oh my gosh! You’ve been called a bigot. What next, anti mormon? Hater?
Keep on truckin’, I’ll just continue to think of you as a teller of the truth.
The national LDS needs to be boycotted. All Mormon-owned businesses need to be boycotted - NATIONALLY, until they relent on their criminal support for illegal alien amnesty. The LDS is now - unknown to most Americans - a principal force along with La Raza, in pushing amnesty for 30+ million illegals. It was a Mormon judge - Murray Snow - whose father is a bigwig in the LDS leadership and who himself has strong ties, who recently ruled that Sheriff Joe Arpaio was “racial profiling” so-called “Latinos” in his immigration arrests. Snow did his missionary work in Mexico and speaks fluent Spanish, and had no business being on the bench for this case. In addition, the LDS orchestrated the recall of AZ Senate Pres. Russell Pearce, the author of SB1070.
No comment required for the baiters.
Raise up a child; in the way he should go...
Neither do 19th century heresies...
Barry; if you don't want to get impeached; bow out NOW and let ME take over!
I'll rat that witch Hillary out!
Between 4:30 - 4:35 AM
...what about us PROTESTants???
I have to take the 'kids' to Bob's for supper...
ALL of it; or just the MORMON subset???
WHICH 'false' stereotype?
How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word Mormon to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).
For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesnt appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clarks Pure Church of Christ spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.
Do those responsible for the Mormons are Christians campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smiths teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.
Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Zions Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zions Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halleys Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ With the Elijah Message (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
Or these defunct sects:
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lambs Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lambs Wife
Congregation of Jehovahs Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana
Are members of those LDS groups Mormons? Latter Day Saints? Christians?
Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?
Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didnt believe in the practice of plural marriage either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.
Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldnt agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.
The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto groups that still practice plural marriage.
Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!
Where would you start??
All Mormon-owned businesses need to be ...
Now the boys that run the SLC branch get REALLY pissy when folks OTHER than THEIR members get called 'mormon'.
You'll need to define your target a bit more accurately.
*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two or even worse, that they are one and the same.
Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon, Book of Mormon and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.
We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:
Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.
We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.
Lance B. Wickman
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