Skip to comments.Sidewalk cafes are cooked (New York City)
Posted on 05/28/2013 10:06:42 AM PDT by lowbridgeEdited on 05/28/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The city Department of Consumer Affairs has served notice to 17 popular restaurants that this will be their last season to offer sidewalk cafes — unless they can prove that they comply with zoning regulations.
In some cases, the eateries have been serving street-side customers for more than two decades.
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Smoking is the consumer goal, not smoking is the Bloomberg goal.
Get out of ny
New York is simply a glimpse into the future for those of us in fly over country. The populace moans and groans but accepts whatever Commissar Bloomberg dictates.
Someone’s not greasing the Consumer Affairs skids. Just out of curiosity are Street Meat trucks allowed in the city. Do they have to provide surveys for use of the public roadways?
I don’t see it creeping out of NYC. Like SoCal, they do stupid stuff just so we can laugh at them. Group-think is a favorite past time in those areas.
My question is why the city has allowed these restaurants to use public sidewalks as their private property in the first place? The owners are making a profit of the tax payers.
Hmm...surrendering your permit is basically financial suicide, so that's out. Filing for a zoning exemption, well, that's the city government and can take a few weeks or months, but it might be expedited for a little, youknowwhatI'msayin', consideration in the right hands. Or you can opt for a "certified land survey", right? Now, who does that, and who are they related to?
It's a shakedown, of course. And it will work.
When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice you may know that your society is doomed.
Francisco d'Anconia in Atlas Shrugged
Good point but at least the businesses are paying taxes to the city, usually it’s the homeless who sleep and lay around in the streets taking advantage of the taxpayers.
People give up their freedom so easily.
Its easy because its someone else’s freedom they are giving up. They don’t realize that, once you’ve given up everyone else’s freedom, you don’t have any left either.
We hardly ever visit NYC anymore... ever since BloomingIdiot took over, every time we've gone to the City, we've gotten a damn parking or traffic ticket for some supposed violation or other (yes, we carefully read all the street signs before parking). Haven't stayed in a NYC hotel since Giuliani left office either - the insane hotel fees are the #1 reason.
No more tourist dollars from us... oh well.
“I dont see it creeping out of NYC. Like SoCal, they do stupid stuff just so we can laugh at them. Group-think is a favorite past time in those areas.”
Like ban smoking in bars? Ohio did.
Like vote for Obama? Ohio did.
I hope you’re right, but I am in the blue part of Ohio, and it’s going from purple to deep, dark blue here.
Those sidewalk tables are denying pushcart vendors city sidewalks to sell their wares in competition with the brick and mortars. < /sarc >
NYC has been a police state. Cabaret laws go back to the jazz age but they still prohibit your bar from having more than 3 persons dancing and restrict live music.
All about having proper licensing/zoning/etc.
Every outdoor cafe permit is cleared by the Community Board in that area, after an open hearing, and they try to strike a balance between sidewalk use and neighborhood sentiment in favor of the outdoor cafe.
It’s not just a smoking issue, since every outdoor cafe has to have a nonsmoking section, which for the smaller ones ends up being the whole cafe. That’s the law, anyway.
The problem is when restaurant owners stretch the privilege. If they’re on a corner, they can illegally put tables up the side street, or they can add an extra row on the avenue. Recently, a blind guy fell because the restaurant had always had two rows of tables and they added a third one. There is also now a bottleneck where the cafe leaves only a few feet between the outermost row of tables and the mailbox.
This restaurant is having trouble staying in business, as many are.
The real problem is the economy. When the warm weather finally comes, the restaurants can’t wait to get the income from the outdoor cafes. They are hurting. So another anti-business assault is not the answer.
Bloombird is after more revenue but there must be something like a Laffer Curve that says when he’s going too far.
Any person or business from whom the city or state of New York extracts one penny of taxes is a traitor to freedom and to rationality.
There’s a lot of history and interesting things to see there, but unfortunately someone elected to place all that stuff in a turd-world totalitarian shit-hole. They’ll have to do without my money. I’m sure they’ll be fine. If not, [shrug].
I was born and raised there, but haven't been since my 20th class reunion. Will be going this September for my 35th, but won't be spending any money other than the cost of the reunion, which I've already paid. We'll be staying with friends and leaving the next day.
True... fortunately my husband and I have experienced a lot of the good side of NYC for the past several decades - we live only about 130 miles away in northern CT.
We used to go to NYC at the drop of a hat - it's about a 2.5 - 3 hour drive, depending on the traffic. Sometimes we'd take the Metro North train.
With the increased prices for gas, train fare, restaurants, *insane* hotel and Broadway play prices, parking/traffic "violation" tickets, parking garage prices, etc., we just don't go anymore. Maybe once a year now at Christmastime...
So why not just file for exemptions, if they are on public property and put together the documentation to demonstrate if they aren’t?
(Actually, the City should and may have already sorted out and only approached those who are on public property without an exemption.)
Good points. Then there’s the charm factor. Assuming that all sidewalk cafe’s make a point of being charming, they benefit the citizens’ spirits very much.
Good for you that you're staying with friends (who I'm sure are taxed to death, living in NY state!). Do not park on the streets - I can almost guarantee you'll get some sort of parking "violation".
The NYC hotel prices have truly hit the insane levels, from what we've seen over the years. Maybe I'm not clued into the deals on hotels.com, Priceline, etc. I don't know how tourists can afford to stay in NYC these days.
Fortunately (I guess) we live close enough to NYC so we can drive down and back in one day (or take Metro North).
The past few times we needed a hotel in the NYC area, we stayed across the Hudson in Fort Lee, NJ. It's more fun to stay in NYC, but we don't have endless $$$$....
Forgot to mention the huge hike in the NY and NJ tolls...
Bloombird is after more revenue but there must be something like a Laffer Curve that says when hes going too far.
Yup, you're right about BloomTurd. He's gone WAY too far for us, particularly with his parking and traffic "violation" ticket prices, toll hikes and other rules and regulations. We've given up parking on the streets, so we're forced to pay the high garage prices. Metro North train fares are way up.
We won't be providing any $$$ to those restaurants this upcoming spring or summer, and I really do miss going to some of them. It's gotten to the point where we can only afford to go to NYC about once a year now, unfortunately. Usually around Christmastime...
Don’t forget the issue of trans fat restrictions in restaurants. This was the biggest problem in Cleveland History.
Bloomberg.... voter friendly....NOPE
High prices AND bed bugs!
Only in New York!
That I know. The restaurant where the reunion is being held has valet parking (included in what I've already paid) and there is no alternate side parking at my friends' on the weekends.
I looked at the cost of a room and about croaked - and I'm talking Brooklyn, not mid-town Manhattan.
The hotels above 96th Street aren’t bad. A lot of people won’t stay that far uptown, but it’s just like the rest of the Upper West Side.
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