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Posted on 05/25/2013 10:11:56 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Will88

Exactly, and that’s the strategy. We circle up, aim inward, and start firing while a liberal like Christi or Bush saunters in.


51 posted on 05/25/2013 12:54:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: conservativehistorian

“I shall propose two R governors as possible nominees:
Bobby Jindal
Mike Pence”

I won’t vote for ANY senators or congressmen. I’d add Gov. Mary Fallin (OK) to your list of potentials.


52 posted on 05/25/2013 1:03:51 PM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: CatherineofAragon

I have a hard time believing that you were ever a Rand fan in the first place, which is OK. As far as immigration reform goes, Rand has got to be smart and play to suppress Hispanic turnout in the general. If you read my post a few posts earlier on here, you will see that Rand is not some open borders, amnesty guy. Yes, he doesn’t think that rounding up and deporting all illegals is viable... neither do I, many conservatives and many fellow FReepers. Rand Paul does not believe that illegals are entitled to one cent of federal or state funds, I think we all agree on that here.

Why I like Rand?

Rand Paul is 100% strong against abortion. National Journal ranks him as near the top of the GOP as far as social policy goes, which is awesome for a politician who is liberty leaning. Here’s something, you dont like Rand right? Go look at his record as Senator and see if there is one thing that you disagree with? You may be surprised how much you like him afterall.


53 posted on 05/25/2013 1:04:57 PM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: Snow Eagle

Even if they are the nominee? Cruz is in the senate, you wouldn’t vote for him? I mean... we have an election to win i 2016, unless you’re cool with Hilldabeast.. which I am not.


54 posted on 05/25/2013 1:07:20 PM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: Sub-Driver

When is Cruz going to announce? Now’s the time.


55 posted on 05/25/2013 1:08:49 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: deport

Of your list, I could support Kasich, Walker, Pence, Haley, Martinez and add Fallin (Ok). No more politicians from congress.


56 posted on 05/25/2013 1:10:03 PM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: Will88
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, __________?

Jeb Bush, Chris Christi

Barring the unforseen, conservatives should quickly coalesce around Cruz. Then it's his race to lose.

For the first time, since Reagan, conservatives will be united against a divided GOPe. They are divided between Jeb and Krispy.

57 posted on 05/25/2013 1:11:35 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

What are your thoughts on Rand? Rand can build a broader coalition than Cruz you know, and as far as senatorial record goes, they are pretty much on par with eachother.


58 posted on 05/25/2013 1:13:22 PM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: Sub-Driver

My preferences:

1) Ted Cruz
2) Sarah Palin
3) Rand Paul

No RINO Rubio, no RINO Ryan, no fatass Christie, no RINO Jeb!


59 posted on 05/25/2013 1:27:15 PM PDT by RB156
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To: SSDecontrol

Well, Rand has been doing pretty good to date. I’m not at all inclined to badmouth him. But I do absolutely hate his amnesty/illegals plan. And I’m particularly wary of him leaning too much in a libertarian direction on issues like gay marriage, dope, and the aforementioned border issues. A primary would bring a lot of that into focus. They are indeed killer issues with me.


60 posted on 05/25/2013 1:28:22 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Sub-Driver
"For now, (what) we know for sure is we're going to run for the U.S. Senate," he said...

Speaking of oneself in the plural is a real turn-off to me. He just got to Congress and his head is already growing.

61 posted on 05/25/2013 1:30:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jane Long

Those odds were from back in early 2012 so I’d put little faith in them. The newer articles don’t list Palin but then there weren’t any polls they were referencing in their articles just names chosen by the author. I personally don’t see Pain getting into the primary but things can change once we get closer to the actual commitment dates.


62 posted on 05/25/2013 1:32:48 PM PDT by deport
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To: Sub-Driver

Cruz would be my first choice, but if he doesn’t run and Rand does vs what? Rubio? Jeb? KristiKreme? I’ll stand with Rand, absolutely.


63 posted on 05/25/2013 1:37:26 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: greene66
In the vein of friendly discourse, let me show you how some of your notions toward Paul are incorrect.Rand Paul is personally against gay marriage but believes that it is hypocritical to advocate for smaller government and states rights while supporting a federal ban on gay marriage:

"If we were to say each state can decide, I think a good 25, 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe we allow that debate to go on for another couple of decades and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people"

As for amnesty, Paul's against this. Paul doesn't believe that illegals should be given preference for U.S. citizenship and that they are not entitled to one cent of federal or state money. Paul doesn't believe its viable for the federal government to round up all illegals (look at how the feds run the postal service, DMV.. you honestly expect them to be able to round up and deport all illegals?) Paul believes that by denying illegals the perks they are receiving right now through the federal government, a lot of illegal immigration will cease. I think if he pared this belief with e-verify, he will be solid on this issue. Also, Rand Paul want the border protected and defended, just like any other conservative Republican.

Drugs? Rand is for legalizing hemp. I don't have an issue with this since tobacco and alcohol are legal right now and worse for a persons health and mental well being than a little pot. Theres a nice little graph that shows drug use in the U.S. vs spending on the war on drugs:

This is what Rand is against as far as drugs go. We have created this huge government entity but its effectiveness is non-existent.

Anyway, Freep on.

64 posted on 05/25/2013 1:44:58 PM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: SSDecontrol
"I have a hard time believing that you were ever a Rand fan in the first place,"

Gasp! Can you imagine someone who wouldn't be? /s

"which is OK."

I appreciate your generous permission.

" As far as immigration reform goes, Rand has got to be smart and play to suppress Hispanic turnout in the general. If you read my post a few posts earlier on here, you will see that Rand is not some open borders, amnesty guy."

Sure he is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010596/posts

" Yes, he doesn’t think that rounding up and deporting all illegals is viable... neither do I, many conservatives and many fellow FReepers. Rand Paul does not believe that illegals are entitled to one cent of federal or state funds, I think we all agree on that here."

Better read the linked L.A Times article. "Some form of legal status to illegal immigrants".....The GOP is anti-immigrant, must retool its image to attract illegals, has pushed immigrants away with harsh rhetoric....

"Why I like Rand?"

"Rand Paul is 100% strong against abortion. National Journal ranks him as near the top of the GOP as far as social policy goes, which is awesome for a politician who is liberty leaning. Here’s something, you dont like Rand right? Go look at his record as Senator and see if there is one thing that you disagree with? You may be surprised how much you like him afterall."

You really are a textbook campaign commercial. You Paulites are nothing if not tenacious true-believers, as we've seen all along.

Look, you can save pushing this guy at me. I'll have no part of him.

65 posted on 05/25/2013 1:58:00 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: SSDecontrol

working link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010596/posts


66 posted on 05/25/2013 1:58:47 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Sub-Driver

What a surprise!


67 posted on 05/25/2013 2:11:20 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Sub-Driver

No se puede.

Go away Amnesty Paul.


68 posted on 05/25/2013 2:16:06 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; 1010RD
Barring the unforseen, conservatives should quickly coalesce around Cruz. Then it's his race to lose.

I hope that's what will happen. I think the others who'll claim to be conservative will have many skeptics after some of their issue positions of recent years.

Of course, the MSM will try to make Cruz look like a crazed and dangerous right-wing nut. Some are already trying, but everyone will have to work against that.

69 posted on 05/25/2013 2:21:18 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SSDecontrol

His libertarianism will be as much of a turn-off to middle America as Romney’s squishiness. I prefer Rand to Mitt, but I don’t think he can compete with Sarah or Ted for the non-GOPe Republican vote. And I don’t see Sarah running.


70 posted on 05/25/2013 6:19:18 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Will88; St_Thomas_Aquinas

We need to act in two directions.

1. coalesce around a conservative candidate - I like governors better than legislators. Cruz would be fine, but I’d like to see the field first.

2. We have to wound Democrats and liberals potential candidates. eg stop calling the ACA Obamacare and call it what it really is: DemocratCare.


71 posted on 05/25/2013 6:38:01 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: deport
I pick Dr Benjamin Carson- who is not on your list.

He blew the doors off the Obama train at the National Prayer Breakfast.

He's smart & a dedicated Conservative!!

72 posted on 05/25/2013 7:48:54 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Carry_Okie
There is absolutely no way Sarah Palin could stand up to a debate with Ted Cruz. None.

There would be no debate between them , ever. As much as I like Ted Cruz he will never and can never run for president . Cruz was born in Canada.

73 posted on 05/25/2013 8:48:48 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Barring the unforseen, conservatives should quickly coalesce around Cruz. Then it's his race to lose.

Ummm no . Cruz place of birth =Calgary, Canada

74 posted on 05/25/2013 8:51:44 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera
Cruz was born in Canada.

By your standard, if the child was born in the US to American parents but they moved, renounced their citizenship, and educated the child abroad, that child would be eligible.

The point was obviously about debating skills. Sarah Palin is very good at grandstanding while mouthing empty platitudes, but not much more. Her administration of both Wasilla and Alaska were nowhere near as conservative as touted. Ted Cruz on the other hand has shown himself to have a far more complete grasp on the application of interaction of legal, economic, and Constitutional principles with the historical knowledge to back them up. In a debate, he would crush her.

75 posted on 05/25/2013 9:18:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie
By your standard, if the child was born in the US to American parents but they moved, renounced their citizenship, and educated the child abroad, that child would be eligible.

Stop projecting . You are beginning to sound like one of the lefties.

76 posted on 05/25/2013 9:27:13 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera
Stop projecting . You are beginning to sound like one of the lefties.

Best you check to whom you are speaking before impaling your foot ankle deep betwixt your molars.

77 posted on 05/25/2013 9:44:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Best you check to whom you are speaking before impaling your foot ankle deep betwixt your molars.

Geeeeeeeee I am soooooooooo scared /s

78 posted on 05/25/2013 9:47:44 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: catfish1957

How about Mr. West from the sunshine state.


79 posted on 05/25/2013 9:51:02 PM PDT by tnwalker
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To: greene66

Re your #37, How about Maj. West?


80 posted on 05/25/2013 9:55:16 PM PDT by tnwalker
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To: tnwalker

Alan West? Absolutely! He’s top-level with me.

Palin/Cruz/West... cream-of-the-crop trio. Three GOP-er’s that I still have confidence and trust in. I can’t say that about many others. To put it mildly.


81 posted on 05/25/2013 10:04:57 PM PDT by greene66
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To: greene66
"Alan West? Absolutely! He’s top-level with me."

I would very willingly vote for him!!

82 posted on 05/25/2013 10:15:28 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: RB156
My choice is Rand or Cruz. And Trey Gowdy had better get out there and run against Linseed Graham...Trey needs our support..he is a fighter, articulate, knows his business and he is fearless.
83 posted on 05/26/2013 1:06:26 AM PDT by itssme
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To: Sub-Driver

Whatever...zzzzzzzz

Shrimphead


84 posted on 05/26/2013 1:14:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: SamAdams76

Nothing wrong with an old man worth a shite

Only guy I see is Cruz...and not because he is latino

Reagan was an old man....and it was damn sure his turn

GOPE gave us queeg and max headroom

Cause they found them safe

Age was inconsequential


85 posted on 05/26/2013 1:18:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Would rather see Cruz stay in the Senate for a long time.


86 posted on 05/26/2013 1:20:53 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Only a non-white has a chance to beat the democrats/socialists

Niki Haley
Cruz
Cain
Susan Martinez

Maybe a woman has a chance
Palin

Republicans have only run a white male for Prezident . Democrats and the media play identity politics.

The news media will try to choose the GOP candidate another white male they can beat

87 posted on 05/26/2013 2:13:21 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Lera
Ummm no . Cruz place of birth =Calgary, Canada

In the Naturalization Act of 1790, children born at sea, or outside the country, were determined to be "natural born citizens." I realize that there are contradictory claims and evidence, but the idea makes sense to me, especially when compared to the alternative.

Regardless, it appears that the courts have already decided the point. Texas Republican Sen. Cruz eligible to be president should he decide to run

88 posted on 05/26/2013 5:37:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: greene66

ARe you sure about that?


89 posted on 05/26/2013 7:25:53 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Sub-Driver

A lot of people on this thread, mostly the usual suspects, arguing against Rand.

How does his stance on the border match what is being said? His plan was to “give them a path” that includes going back to their home Country and applying like everyone else. It also calls for a secured border.

If any of you have a better plan, i’m sure there are a lot of people who’d like to hear it...

It also tosses out his stance on abortion, gun rights, property rights, limited government, our role as Globo-cop, and free markets.

If you folks can hold your nose and vote for Mc-Amnesty and Willard “Obamacare” Romney... Then Rand ought to be an easy pick by comparisson.

Unless... There is more to it than just principles. Like the same old RINO bullshite we wade through every election cycle that filters out all the good canddiates and leaves us with the least common denomenator.

Get your heads right folks. Play time is officially over.


90 posted on 05/26/2013 7:40:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: nikos1121

I quickly corrected myself in a following thread. It was “gay adoption” that Ryan gave a thumbs-up to, not “gay marriage.” Just as bad, if not worse. Coupled with Ryan joining Rubio in trying to sell his rancid amnesty plan (even joining Luis “La Raza” Guiterrez on stage at an event, pushing it)... all I can say is that there is no way in hell I’ll ever give Ryan my vote, should he be the 2016 nominee.


91 posted on 05/26/2013 7:46:08 AM PDT by greene66
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To: greene66

I think if one understands that the immigration bill was set up not to pass, then you understand what’s going on here. Cheap easy way for some republicans to have the appearance of being pro latino, but at the risk of ticking off conservatives.

Newt suggests bringing this down to the neighborhood level. Any illegal is given thirty days to leave. He can return legally with a card registration that allows him or her to work and get a special drivers license.

I really don’t understand why we have to allow illegals to become legal in one sweep of the hand.


92 posted on 05/26/2013 8:09:57 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Carry_Okie

I don’t think Cruz would WANT TO debate Palin- and I would hate to see it.

They agree on so much, it would be more like a love-fest


93 posted on 05/26/2013 8:27:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K
They agree on so much, it would be more like a love-fest

Palin's record is not as fiscally prudent as touted, nor was her byzantine tax policy on oil companies particularly successful.

94 posted on 05/26/2013 9:00:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: conservativehistorian

I noticed Sarah Palin, a non-candidate, rated #3 in a recent poll as likely candidates.

One in ten chance, at this point.


95 posted on 05/26/2013 2:44:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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