Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Megachurch pastor predicts surge in Boy Scout alternative programs after vote to accept gays
AL.com ^ | 24MAY2013 | Greg Garrison

Posted on 05/25/2013 9:00:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - A Birmingham megachurch pastor predicts a surge in alternatives to the Boy Scouts of America after a decision Thursday by the Boy Scouts to accept openly gay scouts.

The Rev. Harry Reeder III, senior pastor of the 4,100-member Briarwood Presbyterian Church, former moderator of the Presbyterian Church in America and outspoken critic of efforts to change Boy Scout policy on homosexuality, said evangelical churches are a bedrock of support for the Boy Scout tradition in Alabama.

That’s now in danger, he said.

“When a church holds to a biblical social ethic of sex only between a man and a woman in monogamous marriage, it cannot support an organization that opposes that,” said. “That would introduce sexual anarchy into the teaching of the church. There will be a significant response from evangelical churches.”

Reeder said evangelical churches have been moving toward other youth development programs and he expects those to accelerate. The Southern Baptist Convention’s Royal Ambassadors program, the Christian Brigade program from England, Pioneer Clubs and the AWANA evangelical parachurch program embraced by several denominations are likely to be viewed as possible alternatives, Reeder said.

“Something that is this much of a deviation from ethical commitments may give birth to something new, a continuing organization that maintains the historic scouting program,” Reeder said.

Briarwood Presbyterian Church currently hosts Troop 254, with Cub Scouts and Boy Scout troops. Any decision to change support for hosting Boy Scouts will be made by the church, Reeder said. “Our elders will make that decision,” he said. “We have been very impressed with the effect of our leaders and we have produced a number of Eagle Scouts who have had outstanding achievements.”

But Thursday’s national vote puts evangelical Christian churches in a difficult position, and it also puts the Boy Scouts in an awkward position, he said.

The Boy Scouts plan to start welcoming openly gay scouts on Jan. 1, but still have a prohibition against openly gay scout leaders.

“Their position is illogical,” Reeder said. “There is no reason to maintain a moral position that the leaders can’t be homosexual. When you are approving the practice among members, how can you not approve it for leaders?”

He expects the Boy Scouts to move toward eventual acceptance of openly gay leaders.

“There are some clear things that are going to happen – continued pressure from the Lesbian, Bisexual, gay, transgender community and from donors for acceptance of openly gay leaders, and an exodus from a significant number of participants and evangelical church-based organizations,” Reeder said.

The Boy Scout oath of “duty to God” becomes problematic, he said.

“They now have to address their Scout oath,” Reeder said. “Clearly, they have abandoned all the primary religions that maintain the historic sexual ethic of one man, one woman in the context of marriage. I see no reason to maintain its previous principled commitment to a theistic oath. If you’ve abandoned the sixth commandment, that sexuality belongs in the context of marriage between a man and a woman, you’ve abandoned your duty to God.”

He expects churches and parents to look for alternatives to the Boy Scouts. “Parents are going to have to vote with their money and feet whether they will sustain scouting,” Reeder said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alternatives; boyscouts; bsa; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; queeringamerica
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-80 next last

1 posted on 05/25/2013 9:00:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

The Boy Scouts put up a good fight and were winning every battle. I wonder what caused them to decide to go fag.


2 posted on 05/25/2013 9:03:38 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

With the power of the Internet the troops that resigned from the BSA can get together and form their own competing organization.


3 posted on 05/25/2013 9:03:47 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

Because they were infiltrated by Leftists who may or may not have been homosexuals themselves. Then there were the threats by the BSA’s corporate sponsors to pull funding if they didn’t go homo.


4 posted on 05/25/2013 9:05:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
"The Straight Scouts of America" would be a fine name, and would stick a finger in the eye of the homosexual bullies.
5 posted on 05/25/2013 9:05:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Come to think of it, we should start calling the homosexualized organization "The Gay Scouts of America."

Another poke in their eye.

6 posted on 05/25/2013 9:06:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

Boi Scouts are dead. Long live the Boy Scouts.


7 posted on 05/25/2013 9:06:22 AM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Finatic; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

8 posted on 05/25/2013 9:07:34 AM PDT by narses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

Perhaps they aim to change their name to Obamajugend.


9 posted on 05/25/2013 9:07:44 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Then the Gay Scouts of America can merge their femness with the Girl Scouts of America and be completely fabulous!


10 posted on 05/25/2013 9:08:35 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

There won’t be any militant gay scouts when there are no scouts. Coming soon....


11 posted on 05/25/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

The Boy Scouts of Canada lost 54% of their membership after going homo. It’ll be interesting to see how the numbers play out here in the USA.


12 posted on 05/25/2013 9:09:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
Lots of the scout troops meet at parishes and churches around the country.

I don't thing they can take the chance of being held accountable of anything that might happen on their property.

13 posted on 05/25/2013 9:09:56 AM PDT by mware
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Morally Bent Scouts of America.


14 posted on 05/25/2013 9:09:56 AM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
"The Straight Scouts of America" would be a fine name

The left would call them the SS. Need something different.

But this is the end of Scouting as we know it. I used to be the Chairman of the Catholic Scouting Committee in Florida. I don't know how I could reconcile this decision with Christian principles.

I will start calling the BSA the Gay Boys from now on. A phoenix will rise from the ashes.

15 posted on 05/25/2013 9:13:07 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: mware

What percentage do you think meet there?


16 posted on 05/25/2013 9:13:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
The top leadership of the BSA couldn't bear the thought of losing their corporate sponsors so they pushed this wicked measure through even though it was against the wishes of most of the rank and file.
17 posted on 05/25/2013 9:13:27 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

Royal Ranger! I’m not AG and I love it!


18 posted on 05/25/2013 9:14:22 AM PDT by vpintheak (We are the chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Menehune56

Let them keep their corporate sponsors and lose their membership.


19 posted on 05/25/2013 9:15:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: FatherofFive

The problem I see...somewhere in the next three years...some thirteen year old scout is going to sexually assault a twelve-year old scout, and the cops will be called in. Charges will be done, and a court case rigged up. What to worry about though...is the civil case. The parents will sue the scout organization, and hundreds of thousands will be at stake. After that....every scout organization will require some bonded insurance deal, and the cost per year will range from the hundreds to the thousands.

It’s a spiral from this point.


20 posted on 05/25/2013 9:16:22 AM PDT by pepsionice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: FatherofFive
Sadly, the Boy Scouts needs to be abandoned. I have been giving money to them for years specifically because they resisted the homosexual bullies.

Any parent who allows their son to remain in the Gay Scouts at this point is deranged.

21 posted on 05/25/2013 9:16:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

The new org could be an analog to the American Heritage Girls.


22 posted on 05/25/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by joelt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
Well I am the Safe Environment coordinator at our parish. We do not have any BSA troops meeting in our parish, but I assume there are quite a few since, the Diocese has directed that any adult supervisers in youth organization that meets there MUST go through a criminal background check.
23 posted on 05/25/2013 9:18:26 AM PDT by mware
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

The BSA has lost every bit of support I have ever given them.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 9:19:11 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: joelt

Conservative Scouts of America?


25 posted on 05/25/2013 9:20:06 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

As always, they had clandestine supporters infiltrate the upper leadership.


26 posted on 05/25/2013 9:20:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

>> I wonder what caused them to decide to go fag.

Lawyers and trending sublimation.

BSA should have refused recognition of these matters, and instead adhered to traditional codes of conduct.


27 posted on 05/25/2013 9:22:29 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
Knights of Columbus Squires
28 posted on 05/25/2013 9:24:23 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

I agree 100%.

As a former scout, I held the organization in very high regard, being the stubborn last holdout for principle.

It was so rare, that was worth quite a lot.

Now that is gone. I will support some alternative, in the future. Waiting to see what emerges in the next month or so.

Scouts you blew it, big time.


29 posted on 05/25/2013 9:24:30 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
Any one who has a strong faith to Christ has to walk away or they are condoning same sex relationships (sexual) It is just as simple as that. You can't wear any faith on your collar and claim it in only the easy times. Imo. Let the children be young, to be children and have guidance coming from their parents not coming from an orchestrated agenda of which a manufactured result could hurt them in their future. It's a disgrace the acting committee did this for financial support to be given to them by the Mormon Church and the others. Shame on the Mormon Church and the others.
30 posted on 05/25/2013 9:25:19 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: joelt

Reminds me of “Stand Up Girl.”


31 posted on 05/25/2013 9:26:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

By the Public Law that gave the BSA a Congressional Charter, they have the exclusive use of the word “scout” as regards a formal youth organization. Thus, the various church-developed youth groups have avoided that with their names: Royal Rangers, Royal Ambassadors, etc. The American Heritage Girls have learned some things that would be good to know for any future organization for boys. Also, keeping a church connection will enable the protection of the First Amendment when holding to moral and faith principles as core elements of the program.


32 posted on 05/25/2013 9:26:53 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: mware
Well I am the Safe Environment coordinator at our parish.

Yes, well I learned in a Safe Environment class that there is NO connection between homosexuality and the priest molestation scandals, so there should be no problem with gay scouts or gay scout leaders in the parish, right?

33 posted on 05/25/2013 9:28:47 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

I love Dr. Reeder. He did a men’s conference at my church a few years ago. I particularly appreciated his sermons built around the lives of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.


34 posted on 05/25/2013 9:29:10 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Menehune56

The only thing I have heard is that it was voted in by 60%+ by “local scout leaders that voted.” And nothing else, like the details aren’t really a big deal or are a secret or something. You would think you would have heard something, at least from some of the people who voted against it by now.

Freegards


35 posted on 05/25/2013 9:29:55 AM PDT by Ransomed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

Can’t wait until the next time the BSA comes calling on some food drive or soliciting donations, because I’m going to tell them to take their cowardly, degenerate organization, and go to straight to hell!!!

One of the only organizations I truly had respect and admiration for. Now, I only have the deepest of disgust and contempt towards.


36 posted on 05/25/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by greene66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

Can I ask some stupid questions?

How many of these boys are gay in the first place?

Since these boys are still growing and maturing, how do they know at that age that they will be gay as adults?

Why are we addressing issues of sexuality in the first place? As I understand it, scouting helps boys and young men develop many skills, but those skills have nothing to do with anyone’s sexual behavior or sexual feelings. Am I wrong? What am I missing there?

Are we allowed to have any organizations which do NOT deal with issues of sexuality?

Can’t we have boys and young men benefit from a fine organization as scouting without introducing the homosexual sexual behavior issues into it?

Even if a boy feels some same sex attractions, can’t we run the organization for boys and young men without having to deal with those issues? Since the activities of scouting have nothing to do with sexuality issues, sex identity, etc. why are we forced now to deal with it?

What messages are we sending by focusing on sexual behavior of a small minority of people?


37 posted on 05/25/2013 9:30:42 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T-Bird45
By the Public Law that gave the BSA a Congressional Charter...

Seems to me that could easily be revoked after the 2014 elections.

38 posted on 05/25/2013 9:30:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Chandler

You really believe that?


39 posted on 05/25/2013 9:31:56 AM PDT by mware
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer
The Boy Scouts put up a good fight and were winning every battle. I wonder what caused them to decide to go fag.

Gays are everywhere.

And they are not all out of the closet, mincing around in leather chaps and purple vests.
Many dress and act as quiet, reserved members of the mainstream, keeping their sexual orientation to themselves.

Just like liberals of all stripes they weasel their way into positions of influence and control everywhere and once there they work to further their agenda.

That is how leftists took over the education system, the unions, most government bureaucracies.

Homosexuals use the same tactics - they get themselves appointed to boards of directors, government commissions, local societies, etc.
They occupy top executive and managerial positions in industry, business and government.
Then they quietly set about furthering the homosexual agenda.

Look at the swift pro-homosexual changes we have seen in the last few years in the federal and state governments, in the military, schools, colleges, etc. It all came about from powerful and influential homosexuals and their supporters working from inside all of these organizations.


40 posted on 05/25/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: greene66

The homosexuals now run the BSA and the lesbians, the GSA.


41 posted on 05/25/2013 9:33:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Dilbert San Diego

Ask as many stupid questions as you feel free to ask.

Your mileage may vary with the answers provided.


42 posted on 05/25/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer

My husband was an Eagle Scout and then very active in Boy Scouts all his life. I know he would be appalled at this and it would be the end of his lifelong love of scouting!


43 posted on 05/25/2013 9:35:12 AM PDT by MomofMarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
I have been giving money to them for years specifically because they resisted the homosexual bullies.

I took a lot of heat in a company I worked for years ago. I was the only 'officer' of the company who would not contribute to the United Way, because the UW supports abortion and planned parenthood. The HR folks told me I coud direct all my donation to a specific cause, but I knew this was a shell game. I had a conversation with the president of the company, and basically told them I would not donate one penny to murdering babies. the company dropped it's campaign to have 100% participation.

I have been a huge supporter of Scouting, with my time, talent and treasure.

It is over now. I have two Eagles. Lots of memories. But the Gay Boys get not one penny, not one second of my time. I feel a bit like Michael Corleone telling Freddie "you are dead to me"

44 posted on 05/25/2013 9:35:52 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine

Someone asked a wise question yesterday on the radio.

What happens when all these homo boys grow up, stay in the Boy Scouts. Then after they become an adult, they become adult asst scoutmasters, because they are still within the same troop they started out in, then they become scoutmasters?


45 posted on 05/25/2013 9:38:03 AM PDT by rawhide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rawhide

The answer is pretty obvious - Buggerers Seducing Adolescents.


46 posted on 05/25/2013 9:39:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: FatherofFive
The left would call them the SS. Need something different.

Junior Woodchucks?

47 posted on 05/25/2013 9:42:08 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
This was never about making Boy Scouts a better organization by making it "more inclusive." It was always about destroying the organization.

The BSA has always been seen by the left as an organization that instills positive values, which is why they feel the need to destroy the Boy Scouts. Hitler did in in Nazi Germany, outlawing Boy Scouts and "replacing" it with the Hitler Youth.

Mark

48 posted on 05/25/2013 9:52:04 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MarkL

Add that as another sign of the Nazification of America.


49 posted on 05/25/2013 9:52:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Jack Hydrazine
That’s now in danger, he said.

I sure as hell hope so...

50 posted on 05/25/2013 9:55:27 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-80 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson