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CNC killed the gun control star
Bob-owens.com ^ | 5/23/13 | Bob Owens

Posted on 05/25/2013 7:17:14 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe

You may have noticed my complete lack of posting about Cody Wilson and his printed gun technology. The reason for that is simple: it’s a gimmick. Sure, printed guns can work, but the question is inevitably “how long?” When it comes to the catastrophic failure of the thermoplastics used in the construction of the barrels and firing chambers, it isn’t a matter of “if,” but “when.”

As a practical matter, with current and near-term technologies, plastic guns are a loser.

That said, some of the emerging technologies that make plastic guns feasible are viable for metalwork as well, and machines like the crowd-funded Othermill means that CNC metalworking machines will soon be  in the hands of people for a fraction of the cost of the plastic printing machines.

Purely as a practical matter, how long do you think it will be before someone takes an Othermill or similar portable CNC machine, and builds the jigs and writes the code to make finishing an 80% receiver or 80% frame as simple as clicking a button with your mouse?

For those of you who aren’t familiar with the concept, all firearms have one part that is legally the gun according to the BATF. For an AR-15, it is the lower receiver. No other parts that make up the firearm are technically a gun, so they are not individually serial numbered, nor tracked.

An 80% receiver (or 80% frame for most pistols) is not a finished part, however, and is not registered with anyone. You can buy as many as you want, and then finish them yourself into a firearm that has not serial number, which does not have to be registered, and which is 100% legal to own under federal law (I don’t know if that holds true in the individual slave states, so comply with your local laws, etc).

While the plastics are a disruptive technology on a political and psychological perspective, they are nearly irrelevant as a practical matter.

The introduction of high-quality, affordable micro million machines which can cheaply finish 80% parts or completely manufacture them from scratch, however, changes the game entirely. When these technologies become commonplace, the concept of “gun control” becomes a complete absurdity, since the equipment to manufacture firearms will be as affordable and commonplace as a crafter’s Sizzix machine.

As a practical matter, gun control is nearly dead. The idiots pushing for it just don’t understand that technology has killed the concept, and that is something that Cody Wilson has nailed with 100% accuracy.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; cnc; guncontrol; othermill; secondamendment
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Anyone have a setup like this?
1 posted on 05/25/2013 7:17:14 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Picture of Othermill from the website:


2 posted on 05/25/2013 7:18:37 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Thanks for a post on this topic that isn’t 3D BS. There are thousands of home shops and small CNC shops with this capability, which costs under 10K.


3 posted on 05/25/2013 7:20:45 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: NewJerseyJoe
"You may have noticed my complete lack of posting about Cody Wilson and his printed gun technology. The reason for that is simple: it’s a gimmick. Sure, printed guns can work, but the question is inevitably “how long?”

Long enough to get a real gun...

4 posted on 05/25/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Sure, printed guns can work, but the question is inevitably “how long?”

They only need to work long enough for the user to acquire a real gun.

5 posted on 05/25/2013 7:28:18 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: bigbob
Um.. it is 3D, just subtractive instead of additive.

/johnny

6 posted on 05/25/2013 7:30:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"You may have noticed my complete lack of posting about Cody Wilson and his printed gun technology. The reason for that is simple: it’s a gimmick. Sure, printed guns can work, but the question is inevitably “how long?” Long enough to get a real gun...

The author of the article obviously doesn't understand why Cody named his plastic gun 'Liberator' after the WW2 pistol.

7 posted on 05/25/2013 7:32:09 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Actually, they only NEED to work one time.
8 posted on 05/25/2013 7:32:33 AM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Sure, printed guns can work, but the question is inevitably “how long?”

Long enough to get a real gun...

To the guy on the receiving end, if it works one time that is one time too many.


9 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:53 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Purely as a practical matter, how long do you think it will be before someone takes an Othermill or similar portable CNC machine, and builds the jigs and writes the code to make finishing an 80% receiver or 80% frame as simple as clicking a button with your mouse?

If you've got a mill, why bother starting with the 80% receiver? I guess if you're the guy writing the program to distribute to others, it gets you most of the benefit with the least effort, at least as the first project.

10 posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:52 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
While the plastics are a disruptive technology on a political and psychological perspective, they are nearly irrelevant as a practical matter.

Making it clear to potentials tyrants that this issue is a lost cause would BE a practical matter, wouldn't it? IOW, "You're screwed, any more effort down this road will cost you more than you could possibly gain."

11 posted on 05/25/2013 7:58:17 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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The introduction of high-quality, affordable micro million machines which can cheaply finish 80% parts or completely manufacture them from scratch, however, changes the game entirely.

Micro-million? I think I have about that in my wallet right now!

12 posted on 05/25/2013 7:59:53 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

I have a pickle-jar full of them!

Wow, talk about word-salad.


13 posted on 05/25/2013 8:14:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

You could stab someone to death with the sentence diagram, if you didn’t kill yourself first.


14 posted on 05/25/2013 8:24:48 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

You could get yourself in a loop of mixed-modifiers and starve before you found your way out!


15 posted on 05/25/2013 8:30:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Still Thinking

Subject-verb-direct object:

Introduction, changes, game. Blech.


16 posted on 05/25/2013 8:31:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, but he goes on this meandering side trip that massively overshadows the original plan.


17 posted on 05/25/2013 8:34:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Purely as a practical matter, how long do you think it will be before someone takes an Othermill or similar portable CNC machine, and builds the jigs and writes the code to make finishing an 80% receiver or 80% frame as simple as clicking a button with your mouse?

I'm not sure about the Othermill, but people have adapted the $500 Harbor Freight bench-top mill to CNC. The data files for AR-15 lower receivers are all over the Internet. The writer's "one button" scenario is possible with large production CNC equipment, but the garage shops require more setup steps.

18 posted on 05/25/2013 9:10:12 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Still Thinking

The subject/verb/object base is the key to a good sentence. If that’s weak - like “introduction/changes/game” - there’s not much that can be done but junk it and start over.


19 posted on 05/25/2013 9:58:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You beat me to it.


20 posted on 05/25/2013 10:03:58 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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