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Fire drama on Heathrow jet: delays as plane makes emergency landing with smoke pouring from engine
London Evening Standard ^ | 05/24/13 | Matthew Beard

Posted on 05/24/2013 6:17:17 PM PDT by oxcart

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21 posted on 05/24/2013 8:42:17 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: KeyLargo

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22 posted on 05/24/2013 9:07:04 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: Bratch
The Twilight Zone: The Nightmare at 20,000 Feet

Now either the passengers would have violently subdued Shatner or the pilot would have turned around and had him arrested. Either of which is a reasonable action even if he isn't screaming about gremlins on the wing.

23 posted on 05/24/2013 9:10:43 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: txhurl

There were no engine failures. The plane was in for maintenance earlier.

The engine cowlings were not latched properly. The left one blew off early, and ATC informed the crew. Passengers began to film the left engine with the missing cowl.

As the plane was returning to Heathrow, the right engine cowling also blew off, damaging a fuel or oil line, and denting the wing leading edge.

The leaking fluid briefly ignited on the hot engine parts, but the fire was minor and did not last long.

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=180806&filename=phpgE0GNa.jpeg[

The plane successfully landed without any further incident.

The engine cowlings on these type engines are known for being difficult to latch and for being hard to see that they are not latched properly. There have been bulletins on them before.

BA held all their planes with these engines for a while to makes sure the latches were taken care of.


24 posted on 05/24/2013 10:32:48 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: KarlInOhio

Me, I vote for subduing Shatner whether he’s screaming about Gremlins or not!!!


26 posted on 05/25/2013 5:42:23 AM PDT by davemac.439
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To: holden
Not exactly.

Jet engines are fragile and a bird-strike can, and does, take out many aircraft every year (http://www.airsafe.com/birds/birdrisk.htm, http://www.airsafe.org/birds/BirdstrikeRates.pdf, for info on bird-strikes).

As a mishap investigator in the USAF, I worked one bird-strike incident where the jet was lost but the crew ejected. I also experienced a bird-strike and lost the engine.

Thing is, a bird-strike hitting the fan blades causes much damage and basically ‘unbalances” (if not destroy) the blades, and when those blades spin at over 22,000 RPM, the effect on the engine is like a shaggy dog shaking off water drops. . .pieces fly everywhere.

Which brings me to a question: If the winds at LHR were calm or even 10 kts tailwind, why would the pilot elect to fly over downtown London when the engine could very well spit parts (if not completely come apart), thereby spewing FOD all over the city and people below? Why not land at LGW and avoid over-flying a population center?

Anyway, jet recovered and no harm. . .other than to the bird(s).

27 posted on 05/25/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by Hulka
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http://runwaykillzone.com/2011/12/22/faq-the-v1-vr-terrorist-runway-kill-zone-rkz-frequently-asked-questions/

See the Yukla 27 tragedy.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950922-0

Canada Geese (weighing 5-14 lbs) showed terrorists what can happen if two engines on a large four-engine aircraft are destroyed at VR speed at the end of the RKZ. The aircraft continues briefly into the air but fails to gain altitude on the remaining two engines and then crashes:

From FlightSafety.org:

“Boeing E-3B Sentry 77-0354 was military Boeing 707-derivative, a.o. equipped and AWACS system. As the plane rotated for lift-off numerous geese were ingested in the no. 1 and 2 engines resulting in a catastrophic no. 2 engine failure and a stalling no. 1 engine. The crew initiated a slow climbing turn to the left and began to dump fuel. The aircraft attained a maximum altitude of 250 feet before it started to descend. The plane impacted a hilly, wooded area less than a mile from the runway, broke up, exploded and burned.”

Note that no blame was assessed to the Yukla 27 E-3B pilots for this crash. They calculated their V1 speed for this flight according to regulations. Above V1 the aircraft could have proceeded to VR and taken off with loss of power if only one engine failed, but there was solution available for what to do if two engines failed. If terrorists can knock out two engines on a multi-engine heavy aircraft, the pilots of that aircraft will not have a “plan B.”


28 posted on 05/25/2013 8:43:58 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: F15Eagle

My gosh. What an amazing story. I watched the entire video. That’s the first I’ve heard of that. There’s absolutely no way I would have considered it even remotely possible the pilot would survive hanging out the cockpit window at 17K feet and over 300 mph.


29 posted on 05/25/2013 9:32:00 AM PDT by Prince Caspian
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To: F15Eagle

Thanks for posting that! One of the most amazing feats of piloting ever. My personal favorite for commercial aviation is flight UA232...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232


30 posted on 05/25/2013 9:33:11 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: oxcart
Many people may not have picked up on this coincidence but it was exactly 34 years ago today (May 25) that a commercial airliner lost an engine shortly after takeoff.

However, the passengers on that aircraft were not so lucky. Every single one of them (including the crew and a few on the ground) perished.

This was over at the O'Hare airport in Chicago.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 9:38:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: ltc8k6

You’re posting a factual concise easy to understand summary.

Is that allowed on FR?


34 posted on 05/25/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: ltc8k6

Posts like yours are why I love Freeper land.


35 posted on 05/27/2013 2:35:48 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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