Thank you for your kind post.
To clarify, I am pro-gun and support the repeal of all the gun laws in the UK. As to armed police, I do not support a FULLY-armed police force in the UK as imo it is not necessary. It it were or does become necessary, I’ll be the first to call for it.
quote: ‘You also say you think things like what happened to your soldier are not important enough for everybody to get involved to stop it. It is not the individual citizen’s responsibility to stop it, because you are not responsible for each other.’
Sorry, I never said that. In fact, I have argued in the last 24 hrs that people SHOULD have stopped them, that I would have myself, and I attacked the wimpish men who did nothing. Nor did say anything negative about responsibility. In fact, I am sick of the all-rights and no-responsibility culture in the UK and the west.
quote: ‘To us, the British culture you describe has a weird sense of hostility among citizens, where everyone suspiciously views everyone else as incapable and untrustworthy, and needing control, lest they hurt someone else. Where a soldier murdered in the street by a Muslim Terrorist is preferable to trusting fellow citizens who choose to to arm up to take the coure, get licensed, and carry the means by which to stop it. The policy you support only makes sense if you view a sizable number of your fellow citizens as untrustworthy scumbags, and believe they would do worse if allowed to carry.’
I am again strongly pro-gun and am for more UK people being allowed to own them. I have, and most British people do, a concern though that we dont end up, with all due respect, like America. A nation sated in guns, with a shockingly high level of gun violence. Even as a pro-gun man, I want to avoid that.
BUT to be honest, the British have never been gun owners anyway. Even when all guns were legal and before the idiotic kneejerk laws. I might be wrong, but the most pre-1997 (last major gun law) was I think 2.6m guns in a pop. of 60m.
So the British people simply dont have any interest in owning guns even if they could own as many as they wanted as easily as they wanted. I know that seems odd to Americans, perhaps its because we werent built on the gun as America was. Guns are simply not a large part of our culture.
Thanks for the post. And I equally wouldnt reply or even be here if I didnt have a deep affection for America and Americans.
All we want, very badly, is decent Brits living in freedom, and these animals dead and gone.
“Sorry, I never said that. In fact, I have argued in the last 24 hrs that people SHOULD have stopped them, that I would have myself, and I attacked the wimpish men who did nothing. Nor did say anything negative about responsibility. In fact, I am sick of the all-rights and no-responsibility culture in the UK and the west.”
Stopping that would have been near impossible, however, if unarmed. One attacker with a knife is going to be a rough ride to take on, even with a knife yourself - and you are definitely getting cut. Two at the same time, is a near impossibility unless you can drive over them with a car first, which probably would have been the best bet. If you want men in the crowd intervening, you have to allow the ones who want to, to carry concealed. Otherwise, you are expecting them to take on a suicide mission.
I respect that as a former military man, you would have the loyalty and the stones to make a run at it all the same, but I would much rather have seen you just pull out your Glock, and drop both guys safely from 8 yards. In general, anybody without a criminal record who wants to carry a gun, is on our team. I cannot fathom any reason for not supporting them carrying, especially as we approach bad times when stuff like this may happen regularly. You don’t have to carry everywhere, but when times call for it, I would want it as simple for you as strapping on a holster.
“I am again strongly pro-gun and am for more UK people being allowed to own them. I have, and most British people do, a concern though that we don’t end up, with all due respect, like America. A nation sated in guns, with a shockingly high level of gun violence. Even as a pro-gun man, I want to avoid that.”
Don’t buy the anti-gun bull from the left, in any amount. The truth is, the gun violence doesn’t happen where the guns are legal. Our problem is that the rules aren’t consistent. One area will have free gun laws, while nearby nobody is allowed to carry, or be armed. So criminals in the restricted area have free reign, since they carry their easily acquired, illegal guns, while everyone else is disarmed. It not only promotes gun violence, but crime as well, since cowardly criminals can break a small weapons law, and suddenly have the power of life or death over everyone who obeys the law in that restrictive area. The funniest thing about guns is how legalizing them diminishes crime and improves civility. It is incredibly counter-intuitive. John Lott’s book was a fantastic, and eye-opening analysis of that.
Where the guns are legalized, crime plummets, just off the threat. Louisiana had over 700 carjackings back a while ago. They passed a law saying carjackers could be shot on sight. In the next six months, they had 2 carjackings, with no shootings - just the threat was enough. Yet where guns are outlawed, crime jacks up. There is no better way to bring about civility, than to threaten that the good folk will become uncivil. Plus, if somebody like these Muslims tries something, they get killed by a populace of decent people that works together as a force for good.
“So the British people simply don’t have any interest in owning guns even if they could own as many as they wanted as easily as they wanted. I know that seems odd to Americans, perhaps its because we weren’t built on the gun as America was. Guns are simply not a large part of our culture.”
A few more of these incidents, and I think that will change. You know, there is a place online which ships guns anywhere, though at a huge markup (used Beretta 92FS was about $2,000, IIRC, whereas it would normally be ~$450). They break them up, and hide them in a bunch of different innocent parcels, to get them to you undetected, and then you reassemble them. I’d file the address away, given what’s coming.
http://gizmodo.com/5927379/the-secret-online-weapons-store-thatll-sell-anyone-anything