Skip to comments.Senior W.H. staff knew of IRS investigation, did not tell Obama
Posted on 05/20/2013 2:08:35 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot
Senior White House staff knew of the ongoing investigation into the IRS's targeting of conservative groups ahead of the release of a report from a Treasury Department inspector general, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday, but held off on informing the president to wait for a final report.
With the knowledge of an investigation, the White House held to a "cardinal rule" that it should not get involved in an external investigation, Carney said during his daily briefing. "No one in this building intervened in an ongoing independent investigation or did anything that could be seen as intervening," he said.
"To the chagrin of some who would have liked us to get more in front of this, we appropriately waited," Carney later added.
White House counsel Kathy Ruemmler was informed of the IG's audit on April 24, Carney said, and was told that the audit was nearing its conclusion and that a report would be forthcoming indicating that several IRS employees were involved in targeting groups with "tea party" and "patriot" in their names for additional scrutiny.
Carney was more vague last week, telling reporters that Ruemmler's office was informed of the existence of an investigation during the week of April 22, but informed of little more. On Monday, he said that some staff in the counsel's office were told of the report -- and others nearing completion -- a week earlier, on April 16.
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Now we DO NEED that 'smoking gun' evidence that irrefutably showed Obama was in the know from the start.
Obama started the whole thing : )
No one has ever told Obama anything.
He has slept through his entire presidency.
Shouldn’t it say “w.h. staff SAYS it did npt tell Obama”?
Same kind of baloney that the Nixon administration tried to push.
This is actually good news, because it means that some senior WH staff will get thrown under the bus. Eventually one of them might sing, like John Dean did.
Hehehe hahaha hohoho.
“Well Cap’n, we seen this itty bitty iceberg, but we thought we’d slide right by it...and we didn’t wanna wake ya...”
If the MSM lets the WHite House get away with this nonsense, they owe George W. Bush a huge apology.
Get this...it says on the video screen at top Carney “provides insight” as to blah blah blah. Funny stuff.
Dean sang to save his skin at the expense of those who were under his command. His lies and BS were inaudible because they were covered up by the 64-part harmony accompaniment of the MSM, who loved every minute of his testimony.
If Obama has a John Dean, his every utterance will be covered up by wild pot-beating and blaring air-horns from the same MSM. He'll be very lucky not to end up with a bullet through his head, found along some trail in Rock Creek Park.
...and, yet, he “allegedly” knows enough & watches enough to make basketball picks for the woman’s and men’s college basketball tournament. Of course, liberals will say that his staff tells him who to pick. Now we can ask why his staff doesn’t tell him anything else...
Obama is in this up to his ears. But, even he isn't stupid enough to write anything down.
And there are plenty of people willing to fall on their sword rather than admit they discussed it with him. You can be sure they have been "promised they will be taken care of if they don't talk", which really means "they will REALLY be taken care of if they talk".
Sounds like barky has selected his scapegoat...
But of course this is all a big pile of bull manure.
That is rich.
Implausible deniability. Obama is Rip Van Winkle.
Plausible deniability refers to the denial of blame in loose and informal chains of command where upper rungs quarantine the blame to the lower rungs, and the lower rungs are often inaccessible, meaning confirming responsibility for the action is nearly impossible. In the case that illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such act or any connection to the agents used to carry out such acts.
In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a “powerful player” or actor to avoid “blowback” by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third partyostensibly unconnected with the major player. In political campaigns, plausible deniability enables candidates to stay “clean” and denounce advertisements that use unethical approaches or innuendo based on opposition research.
Obama uses this often.
LOL! Why would they tell Obama? They told Valerie.
Is it just me, but why do I have the feeling that President Obama secretly knew all along what was going on?
That is, am I supposed to believe that this President who seems to know everything, somehow did not know about this mess long ago? Give me a break.
Plausible deniability. Chumps, all of them.
It seems that his whole life he's pretended to be black to get undeserved advantages. Now he's either in way over his head (a total idiot) or he's totally corrupt. I'd almost prefer that it was that he's totally corrupt.
Stupidity is not an excuse. If one gets in over their ability, they're still responsible. JMHO
well we were first told nothing bad at all had happened.
then we were told it was a rouge operation by a handful of obscure low level clerks in an Ohio office somewhere.
then we were told that , yes, someone higher up did have to order such a widespread “non-event” to take place...
now we are told that “senior White House operatives knew” all about it, but somehow or other did not do their duty and advise their boss that anything so very serous was even going on that could bring down his Presidency
ok. in about 4 days it has gone up 4 times... right to the door of the Oval/Oral Office.
the cat is getting out of the bag.....
this report is sufficient for Congress to subpoena the “high level WH officials” and find out the rest of the truth. But it should be coming out very soon anyway...
you can almost bet on it....
(and nobody believes anybody but O was at the source of the order for this major nationwide shift in the operations of one of our largest and most powerful governmental agencies....stay tuned!)
i.e. they "acted stupidly"
Worked for Benghazi.
Some reporter said that doesn't that mean that the WH would be not informed of ANY investigation going on...in other words that it would never know anything about the most important things.
Yea, that’s my story
And I’m stickin with it
That is why the tale gets more and more fantastic.....
But yeah you had it summed up right.
Should say WH staff claims.... ...
Yes. Remember last week Obama was asked if he knew about the targeting?
His response... "I only found out about the REPORT a few days ago."
He completely sidestepped the question about the targeting. Blatant evasion.
You’re probably right. :sigh:
And we were led to believe that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell had been done away with.
He also knows about the gay basketball player. Staff is just telling him about the wrong things.
Staff is putting the shiny objects in front of Obama and he is very easily distracted I think.
How convenient ...
Obama cannot be both “godlike” and “Mr. Magoo” at the same time. For 6 years the Marxists have been talking about Obama being the smartest man to ever be president, a light-bringer and now they try to tell us that he is ignorant of everything.
I think America is not going to buy this and that Obama is going to be impeached.
“Eventually one of them might sing, like John Dean did.”
What is needed is a Judge Sirica (Watergate fame) to give immunity/plea deals to guilty IRS agents and managers that talk and finger superiors.
Get some convictions going, and lips will start wagging.
the White House reports to Valerie Jarrett......
That was exactly what broke open the Watergate scandal. But I doubt there is an equivalent of Judge Sirica today. Everyone involved will get slaps on the wrists and soft landings.
We conservatives like to criticize zer0bama for his terrible leadership abilities, but on this aspect he knows what he’s doing. Everyone who gets thrown under the bus gets a bunch of pillows, a cushy job and a very soft landing.
Of course he didn’t tell Obama - Obama already knew. He is probably the one who gave the directive. The spin doctors are hard at work.
I don’t understand why it is OK for some in the White House to know, but not Obama? Is there a specific law that specifies this? How high up in the White House supposedly knew (assuming they re not lying, and that is a big assumption).
He may not have known, honestly. I imagine he was told to give his speeches while Jarrett was giving orders.
Not that that exonerates him in any way, but it is a fairly likely scenario.
I see, thanks.
From what I can hear folks saying, they don’t even care any more whether O is SuperGenius or BozoTheClown. They are angry as all get-out about what has been happening (whether the abuse of our fine IRS agents or the arming and empowering of the Islamicist terroristas overseas , or lots more stuff)
if he ordered all these bad things, or if he slept through them all, nobody cares much about that anymore ...
what they all want is for the problem to be repaired, and fast!
ps: but if I had to guess, I would guess he’s probably a pretty smart guy ... he only looks stupid reading from a teleprompter all the time
just my two cents
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