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China lays claim to Okinawa as territory dispute with Japan escalates (2 star general quoted)
The Guardian ^ | Wednesday 15 May 2013 | Justin McCurry

Posted on 05/16/2013 8:24:20 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Usagi_yo

In 1976 my Chinese friends (all young women from Taiwan) teased me about our Bicentennial:

“ONLY two hundred years!”, they laughed. When I asked, “Are we Americans `western devils’ to you?”, the girls giggled & nodded.

I replied, “Then you must be Chinese devils!!” Gasps of horror, covered mouths, shrieks which turned to laughter.

Anyway, Chinese demands on the big enchilada Okinawa is probably intended to dissuade Japan away from the Paracels & Spratly islands. I’ve known Okinawans who resent Japanese governance so they sure wouldn’t want the Dragon to come waltzing in.


21 posted on 05/16/2013 9:01:46 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Zhang Fei

Not to mention that they probably now own more than half of the US, and all of the White House and DNC.


22 posted on 05/16/2013 9:02:43 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: dfwgator
Sounds like China wants a “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” of their own.

China is the original Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Even in a period of relative weakness in the 19th century, it expanded its territory by almost 50%, adding Tibet and East Turkistan to its holdings. A China that is fully developed, yet retains the old habits of territorial expansion, is a possibility that hasn't yet dawned on its neighbors, given their low post-Cold War defense expenditures. China's neighbors need to be spending more on defense than they did during the Cold War, because Soviet units were focused on Europe, whereas Chinese units are focused on Asia.

23 posted on 05/16/2013 9:11:47 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Where are the Western academics to decry “imperialism” now?


24 posted on 05/16/2013 9:15:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Zhang Fei

My cousin serves in South Korea near the DMZ. It’s the same thing there: there’s a population which “needs” us there and the other population which hates us. But it won’t mean a thing to the troops as they know they are there to stay.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 9:17:12 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Zhang Fei

Why the Chinese don´t say that Africa was theirs too...then they would not have to buy it all...just plant a flag and voila..you own it....


26 posted on 05/16/2013 9:17:55 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: Youngman542012

They will eventually take over Taiwan by buying them out...they are already infiltrating the Boards of Taiwanese companies....they won’t have to fire a shot.


27 posted on 05/16/2013 9:19:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; Tainan
They will eventually take over Taiwan by buying them out...they are already infiltrating the Boards of Taiwanese companies....they won’t have to fire a shot.

I expect we'll have to write off the Taiwanese. Blood is thicker than water. They voted twice for a guy whose heart is set on reunification. In retrospect, Bush's decision to deny late model F-16's to Taiwan may have been a wise one. In a fight over Okinawa, I expect JSDF and USAF bombing runs over Taiwan, which is quite a shift from the WWII history of the Japanese and US air services facing off against each other over the skies of Formosa. We may get to see how Taiwan's old F-16's fare in a live fire version of aggressor training against our F-22's and F-35's.

28 posted on 05/16/2013 9:27:48 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I hereby lay claim to China on behalf of the Chinese people on the reservations in America. They’ll be there next week. Please have a barbecue ready for them.


29 posted on 05/16/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Youngman542012
Why the Chinese don´t say that Africa was theirs too...then they would not have to buy it all...just plant a flag and voila..you own it....

If man did emerge from Africa, then China (and every other country on the planet) has a claim. We are all Africans.

30 posted on 05/16/2013 9:35:36 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I firmly believe that our natural resources have been used as collateral in borrowing money from China. The future will not be pretty.


31 posted on 05/16/2013 10:14:56 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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I firmly believe that our natural resources have been used as collateral in borrowing money from China. The future will not be pretty.

We borrow in dollars. I have zero doubt about the ability of the government to repay the Chinese in dollars. We used to have to print this stuff. Now it's just a SWIFT payment, whereby some data entry operator at Treasury punches in a string of numbers. Our problem isn't repaying the Chinese - it's fighting the wars that China might start just because (1) they're bored and (2) it's what they've always done for entertainment when they're economically strong and feeling good about themselves. We spent over $1T in Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which are economic and military non-entities. That's most of the $1.19T the Federal government owes to China. The mind boggles at what we'd spend fighting the Chinese.

32 posted on 05/16/2013 10:42:14 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Next thing China will lay claim to Siberia. Hey, it was part of the Mongol and Kublai Khan’s empire.


33 posted on 05/16/2013 11:33:13 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Usagi_yo

I had a Chinese friend and he would remind me from time to time that America is just a renegade province.................................... Yes Kimosabe, many moons ago, tribes left Asia to settle here. Him no speak with forked tongue.


34 posted on 05/16/2013 12:40:35 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods, Glenn Doherty and Sean Smith? Forgot already?)
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To: Zhang Fei
Bring back Manchukuo!


35 posted on 05/16/2013 12:46:33 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: dfwgator; Zhang Fei
"They will eventually take over Taiwan by buying them out...they are already infiltrating the Boards of Taiwanese companies....they won’t have to fire a shot."

That's pretty much the ongoing scenario.
Taiwan has been eaten out from the inside by PRC agents of influence.
Combine this with the DPP inspired attacks on anything resembling "National Spirit" and the infiltration of 'Western-educated' (read closet marxist) high school and university staff and you have country that is hollow. Ready, willing and bent-over for the PRC 'hope & change' thing.

IMO, Taiwan will go under to the Middle Kingdom. It is not "if"...its a matter of "when."

My guess is by 2020 the transition will be complete.

...and my tattered old U.S.A. flag will be hanging out to welcome them...;)

36 posted on 05/16/2013 4:17:58 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Alas Babylon!
Bring back Manchukuo!

I think it was a real mistake for Roosevelt to agree to hand Manchukuo and Taiwan back to the Chinese and given Korea its independence. A Japan with those territories would be a much more significant counterweight to China and Russia. People make like FDR was this diplomatic genius, but the real geniuses were the presidents who made sure we expanded the original 13 colonies all the way to the Pacific and the Bering Sea. If these United States had remained at their original territorial extent, there is no way that we could have been decisive in beating Germany and Japan. Ultimately, we won because we had a continent's worth of stuff we could throw at them, a good chunk of which we handed to the Soviets and the Brits.

37 posted on 05/17/2013 12:37:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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