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| 12 May 2013
| Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces
Posted on 05/12/2013 3:43:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: kabar
I want to talk to the command in Sigonella Italy.
There was is a huge presence in Rota Spain.
There are folks in Toulon France
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:43:00 AM PDT
by
mylife
(Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
To: rodguy911
Many of us have been disappointed in Rubio. But, do we really want to Mitt him now when we have no other feasible candidate in the wings? Is that a good wining strategy? Rand is more credible and has announced his intention. Unless Cruz - my first choice, or Palin - my second, steps forward I'll go with Rand. Rubio is down around 5 or 6. Somewhere below Scott Walker.
I'll throw you a carrot however. Rubio is better than Jeb or Christie.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:43:32 AM PDT
by
Sirius Lee
(All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
To: kabar
I know it was a mission and Hicks was at the Embassy in Tripoli with the Seals wanting to go help a half hour away. Canada had closed their Tripoli Embassy a month earlier and we left ours open and why we would send an Ambassador to Benghazi defies logic.
This was manslaughter and no different from leaving the gate open on a lion’s den. You know what the possibilities of death are and not only do you ignore them, you don’t send help. Who made the Stand Down order?
Then you don’t ask Hicks or the people on the ground what happened and make up a lame excuse? They are so lucky they are Party members like the old Soviet Guard or they would be gone.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:43:39 AM PDT
by
bray
(Surviving to spite Obama)
To: bray
144
posted on
05/12/2013 7:43:50 AM PDT
by
Cheerio
(Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
To: maica
Spot on!
Gregory was way out of his league and Pickering came off badly. Looked smarmy and shifty.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:46:12 AM PDT
by
penelopesire
(TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
To: Lacey; animal172
Who hired Craig Livingston?
To: TomGuy
Illegal Immigration is relatively quiet. Hmmmmm. What is in those 800+ pages?How 'bout a national biometric data base that out does anything in "1984?"
More. And more.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:46:59 AM PDT
by
upchuck
(To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
To: Cheerio
I thought that was the case, so it was the President and why didn’t anyone ask Hicks who gave the Stand Down order or didn’t he know?
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:48:00 AM PDT
by
bray
(Surviving to spite Obama)
Here is the wider issue with all of the arab spring BS.
Obama is allowing, and dare I say enabling Al Queda to build a beach head in Africa.
They hold the entire Northern coast of Africa now and this Benghazi gate matter makes us look impotent.
I think This is all purposeful telegraphing of intent on Obamas part.
FUBO!!!
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:48:06 AM PDT
by
mylife
(Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
To: Alas Babylon!
Dick Durban on Disgrace the Nation: The Fox witch hunt continues.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:49:26 AM PDT
by
Rennes Templar
(If guns kill people, how come no one dies at gun shows?)
RE sexual assaults in the military.
You are a soldier.
Do something about it besides whine.
Sat No! Put a knee in.
This is BS designed to make all our soldiers pussies.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:51:57 AM PDT
by
mylife
(Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
To: csmusaret
No one in the military chain of command had ordered a mission to Benghazi so in the sense you mean it there was no order to stand down. Someone in the military chain of command did, however,order those troops not to go. We really need to find out who that was and if that person was acting on orders from higher. We need to subpoena Gen Ham, and for other reasons, Gen Petraeus. I also find it curious that both have since lost their positions.
It seems very simply. The military can issue the stand down because the CIC has not authorized CBA. Is it any more complicated than that?
Only President Can Give Cross-Border Authority ....snip.....
On the other side of the CBA coin: in order to prevent a military rescue in Benghazi, all the POTUS has to do is not grant cross-border authority. If he does not, the entire rescue mission (already in progress)
must stop in its tracks.
Ships can loiter on station, but airplanes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella, in Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If the decision to grant CBA never comes, the besieged diplomatic outpost in Benghazi can rely only on assets already in country in Libya such as the Tripoli quick reaction force and the Predator drones. These assets can be put into action on the independent authority of the acting ambassador or CIA station chief in Tripoli. They are already in country, so CBA rules do not apply to them.
How might this process have played out in the White House?
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:52:21 AM PDT
by
Cheerio
(Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
To: Alas Babylon!
I didn't read the Pickering/Mullen report but Pickering said 10 minutes ago that the State Department's “contingency plan”—for the Annex personnel to defend the Consulate in an emergency—worked. People in the Annex, according to reports, were ordered not to help defend the Consulate. This is like the rest of Obama’s Middle East non-policy—let events unfold then, after the fact, pretend like you were in control the whole time. Like Janet Napolitano’s “the system worked” in the underwear bomber event.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT
by
Brad from Tennessee
(A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
To: Cheerio
So this brings up the question
Where was Obama when the phone call came in?
Hillary does not own this, although she was culpable.
I almost feel sorry for Hillary.
Almost.
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posted on
05/12/2013 7:58:39 AM PDT
by
mylife
(Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
To: Brad from Tennessee
It is Negligence at the least, and Nefarious at the worst.
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posted on
05/12/2013 8:00:39 AM PDT
by
mylife
(Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
To: csmusaret; bray
Dempsey is not technically in the chain of command but Panetta relied heavily on his Joint Chiefs. My suspicion is Dempsey advised that the situation did not justify military intervention and Panetta never elevated it to the President. I am confident that Obama had made it clear to Panetta that he wanted plausable deniability if anything went south. I do not trust Demsey any more than I trusted Mullen.
I covered DOD for 10+ years, practically lived in the Pentagon at times, and I can tell you that no request for rapid deployment funding would include or even fathom a situation in which an embassy or consulate under siege would NOT be rescued in some manner or form, a paradigm that has existed since Tehran in 1979 if not longer.
Sure. Policymakers can choose to hang embassy people out to dry and NOT attempt a rescue. But the idea that the military would say no to a rescue flies in the face of the entire purpose of special ops, rapid deployment, and all related strategies. Or, the idea that a member of the military hierarchy would go to the Hill and say, “Give us our money, but, no, we can’t even try to save Americans.”
BTW, does anyone remember the last day in Vietnam and the rooftop of our embassy in Saigon? There was an army of 10,000+ bearing down on the city. Did our military hierarchy say, “Well, too bad, we’ll just have to let the diplomats be captured, tortured or murdered.”
Some of the stuff being said by “military” leaders about Benghazi is disgraceful. They should be offering to give the American people their money back.
To: crosslink
The key is no one is asking what NATO assets were available . Per sources two bases within 450 miles had forces that could have responded .I agree. But once identified, you would then have to go through the bureaucratic requirements to use them. I want a complete accounting of what assets were available. I understand from some who have knowledge that there were other assets that were available that could have prevented the attack on the annex.
It is also know that F-16s from Italy had the range and could have been on station in under 2 hours. Remember no one asked for flyover rights that day. The drone had clearance only because it was asked for prior to the attack.
As the retired general said on ABC, it is not a matter of just getting the keys out and jumping into an aircraft. Flight clearances, mobilization, arming the aircraft, etc. would add time. And according to Panetta and Dempsey there were no tankers available.
Personally, I believe that flight clearances were not asked for political reasons--domestic and foreign. Obama would have has to notify Congress this was happening and there were probably concerns that our bilateral relations with Libya would be harmed, especially if there was collateral damage. And Obama was scared to death of a Desert One replay.
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posted on
05/12/2013 8:05:35 AM PDT
by
kabar
To: shalom aleichem
Outstanding music and song Shalom.....thank you so much for posting this on Mothers Day.....perfection!
I will surely be listening to this group frequently...I didn’t even know they were out there!
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posted on
05/12/2013 8:05:40 AM PDT
by
caww
To: bray
Hicks named the Colonel or Lt. Col who gave the order. He told Hicks we’ve been ordered to stand down. Hicks suggested they ask this Colonel who gave him the order (up the chain).
Maybe the next guy will say, “I know nutz-ingk”.
To: Cheerio
Didn't Hicks say his guys were ready to go from the Embassy but were told to Stand Down? Are you saying only the Ambassador or someone other than the President can make that call?
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posted on
05/12/2013 8:06:32 AM PDT
by
bray
(Surviving to spite Obama)
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