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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 12 May 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 12 May 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/12/2013 3:43:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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RE sexual assaults in the military.

You are a soldier.
Do something about it besides whine.
Sat No! Put a knee in.

This is BS designed to make all our soldiers pussies.


151 posted on 05/12/2013 7:51:57 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: csmusaret
No one in the military chain of command had ordered a mission to Benghazi so in the sense you mean it there was no order to stand down. Someone in the military chain of command did, however,order those troops not to go. We really need to find out who that was and if that person was acting on orders from higher. We need to subpoena Gen Ham, and for other reasons, Gen Petraeus. I also find it curious that both have since lost their positions.

It seems very simply. The military can issue the stand down because the CIC has not authorized CBA. Is it any more complicated than that?

Only President Can Give ‘Cross-Border Authority’
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On the other side of the CBA coin: in order to prevent a military rescue in Benghazi, all the POTUS has to do is not grant cross-border authority. If he does not, the entire rescue mission (already in progress) must stop in its tracks.

Ships can loiter on station, but airplanes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella, in Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If the decision to grant CBA never comes, the besieged diplomatic outpost in Benghazi can rely only on assets already “in country” in Libya — such as the Tripoli quick reaction force and the Predator drones. These assets can be put into action on the independent authority of the acting ambassador or CIA station chief in Tripoli. They are already “in country,” so CBA rules do not apply to them.

How might this process have played out in the White House?
152 posted on 05/12/2013 7:52:21 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I didn't read the Pickering/Mullen report but Pickering said 10 minutes ago that the State Department's “contingency plan”—for the Annex personnel to defend the Consulate in an emergency—worked. People in the Annex, according to reports, were ordered not to help defend the Consulate. This is like the rest of Obama’s Middle East non-policy—let events unfold then, after the fact, pretend like you were in control the whole time. Like Janet Napolitano’s “the system worked” in the underwear bomber event.
153 posted on 05/12/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Cheerio

So this brings up the question

Where was Obama when the phone call came in?

Hillary does not own this, although she was culpable.
I almost feel sorry for Hillary.

Almost.


154 posted on 05/12/2013 7:58:39 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It is Negligence at the least, and Nefarious at the worst.


155 posted on 05/12/2013 8:00:39 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: csmusaret; bray

Dempsey is not technically in the chain of command but Panetta relied heavily on his Joint Chiefs. My suspicion is Dempsey advised that the situation did not justify military intervention and Panetta never elevated it to the President. I am confident that Obama had made it clear to Panetta that he wanted “plausable deniability” if anything went south. I do not trust Demsey any more than I trusted Mullen.


I covered DOD for 10+ years, practically lived in the Pentagon at times, and I can tell you that no request for rapid deployment funding would include or even fathom a situation in which an embassy or consulate under siege would NOT be rescued in some manner or form, a paradigm that has existed since Tehran in 1979 if not longer.

Sure. Policymakers can choose to hang embassy people out to dry and NOT attempt a rescue. But the idea that the military would say no to a rescue flies in the face of the entire purpose of special ops, rapid deployment, and all related strategies. Or, the idea that a member of the military hierarchy would go to the Hill and say, “Give us our money, but, no, we can’t even try to save Americans.”

BTW, does anyone remember the last day in Vietnam and the rooftop of our embassy in Saigon? There was an army of 10,000+ bearing down on the city. Did our military hierarchy say, “Well, too bad, we’ll just have to let the diplomats be captured, tortured or murdered.”

Some of the stuff being said by “military” leaders about Benghazi is disgraceful. They should be offering to give the American people their money back.


156 posted on 05/12/2013 8:05:05 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: crosslink
The key is no one is asking what NATO assets were available . Per sources two bases within 450 miles had forces that could have responded .

I agree. But once identified, you would then have to go through the bureaucratic requirements to use them. I want a complete accounting of what assets were available. I understand from some who have knowledge that there were other assets that were available that could have prevented the attack on the annex.

It is also know that F-16s from Italy had the range and could have been on station in under 2 hours. Remember no one asked for flyover rights that day. The drone had clearance only because it was asked for prior to the attack.

As the retired general said on ABC, it is not a matter of just getting the keys out and jumping into an aircraft. Flight clearances, mobilization, arming the aircraft, etc. would add time. And according to Panetta and Dempsey there were no tankers available.

Personally, I believe that flight clearances were not asked for political reasons--domestic and foreign. Obama would have has to notify Congress this was happening and there were probably concerns that our bilateral relations with Libya would be harmed, especially if there was collateral damage. And Obama was scared to death of a Desert One replay.

157 posted on 05/12/2013 8:05:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: shalom aleichem

Outstanding music and song Shalom.....thank you so much for posting this on Mothers Day.....perfection!

I will surely be listening to this group frequently...I didn’t even know they were out there!


158 posted on 05/12/2013 8:05:40 AM PDT by caww
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To: bray

Hicks named the Colonel or Lt. Col who gave the order. He told Hicks we’ve been ordered to stand down. Hicks suggested they ask this Colonel who gave him the order (up the chain).

Maybe the next guy will say, “I know nutz-ingk”.


159 posted on 05/12/2013 8:05:46 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Cheerio
Didn't Hicks say his guys were ready to go from the Embassy but were told to Stand Down? Are you saying only the Ambassador or someone other than the President can make that call?
160 posted on 05/12/2013 8:06:32 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: bray

The bottom line is we had the forces and need to know who told them to stand down?


Only Obama can do that. “Debate” about this is preposterous.


161 posted on 05/12/2013 8:07:22 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: PaleoBob

It is what our military is for. They could have done the job or died trying. This order came from the President.

Pray for America to Wake Up


162 posted on 05/12/2013 8:09:58 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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DiFi...she admits they got caught with their drawers down.

Eeeeeyew.....the cellulite....the stench....

163 posted on 05/12/2013 8:11:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Cheerio

I have seen Submarines scrambled to Libya in 30 mins
Guys shanghaied off the docks.
Ready to go.

The notion that we could not respond in 7 hours is preposterous.

Obama let these guys twist in the wind.
The Question is, was it negligence or was it purposeful?

Considering the entire Arab Spring, I think it was the later.
AQ is strengthening on the North African coast, and Obama is enabling it.


164 posted on 05/12/2013 8:15:08 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: caww

Thank you caww.


165 posted on 05/12/2013 8:16:11 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: kabar

You have got ti be kidding me!!! Ever hear of the words “Rapid Response”!!! You know what that means......Special forces, Navy Seals, etc. are ready to go in minutes!!! Obama had the means....he just decided his re-election was more important then the lives of our brave and patriotic public servants and military personnel!!! I would say he should burn in Hell for eternity....but......he already is Satan!!! America...wake-up...your freedom is drying up at the hands of Barack Hussein (blood stained hands) Obama!!!!


166 posted on 05/12/2013 8:17:37 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: shalom aleichem; PaleoBob
Oh yea, young Hillary conspired to deprive Nixon of even a lawyer in his proposed Impeachment.

I'm glad you brought that up. "No lawyer for you, Hillary!"
PaleoBob, I agree with you about Hannity. He is a bulldog on some issues. He will NOT let them be dropped!

167 posted on 05/12/2013 8:17:39 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: bray
I know it was a mission and Hicks was at the Embassy in Tripoli with the Seals wanting to go help a half hour away. Canada had closed their Tripoli Embassy a month earlier and we left ours open and why we would send an Ambassador to Benghazi defies logic.

These were retired SEALS and they were on contract with the CIA. Doherty was one of the ones who went down on the first flight using a charted aircraft. Where are you coming up with this half hour flight time? Benghazi is over 400 miles from Tripoli.

The UK (vice Canada) closed its mission temporarily after its ambassador's motorcade was attacked in Benghazi with RPGs in June.

Hicks during his testimony said that Stevens was intending to go to Benghazi in October, but he went in September so that they could get a report to make Benghazi a permanent mission and obligate the money prior to end of September 30, the end of the fiscal year. What I find incredible is that they wanted to make Benghazi a permanent facility despite the deteriorating security conditions. Hillary was, according to Hicks, pushing this.

Then you don’t ask Hicks or the people on the ground what happened and make up a lame excuse?

The ARB interviewed Hicks for two hours--according to Hicks. And Pickering said this morning that the ARB interviewed all the survivors. Issa said in response that Congress has not even been given the names let alone being able to interview them. We need a select committee, even though Issa appears to be against it.

168 posted on 05/12/2013 8:18:30 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911
Many of us have been disappointed in Rubio. But, do we really want to Mitt him now when we have no other feasible candidate in the wings? Is that a good wining strategy?

Fortunately Senator Rubio has already made his big mistake in public that reduces the base's interest in seeing him run for President. Not like Rick Perry, who waited for a debate before he looked in the camera and called me heartless because he wants to fund his favorite illegal aliens and claimed that I had to agree with him, or else.

And Rubio's behavior in his first term proves 2 things: we need more miles on a candidate before we get behind him, so we know for sure what kind of person he is BEFORE we entrust this country to him, and...

This is another reason to not elect a US Senator to the White House. They have no perspective on government, only politics.

Did Marco Rubio ever run a lemonade stand?

169 posted on 05/12/2013 8:18:36 AM PDT by Bernard (The only Fair Tax is the tax that taxes you and not me.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Now Maya Angelou is dropping her drawers.


170 posted on 05/12/2013 8:19:00 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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McCain had to correct Martha Radditz who keeps insisting that Dear Leader called it a terrorist attack. McCain tells her that all he did was to condemn terrorism in general. He didn’t call the attack terrorism. But she is incorrigible and later in the show is back on her talking point.


171 posted on 05/12/2013 8:19:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bray

It is what our military is for. They could have done the job or died trying. This order came from the President.

Pray for America to Wake Up


It’s really important for people who want to understand the government, its branches, the roles of each and how it is SUPPOSED to function, to realize that they are being LIED TO about the lack of a military rescue attempt in Benghazi.

In fact, if Benghazi is the new standard for military contingencies we need to radically reduce our defense budget, and our ubiquitous presence around the globe, and stop bragging about how we leave no one behind.

Liars in the Joint Chiefs and elsewhere can start saying, “We let people die—even our own. Give us the money anyway.”

At least they’ll be telling the truth.


172 posted on 05/12/2013 8:19:24 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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About a year ago I considered changing my screen name because it was obsolete. Good decision not to— right?


173 posted on 05/12/2013 8:20:21 AM PDT by hillarynot (I play in Peoria)
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To: rodguy911
Many of us have been disappointed in Rubio. But, do we really want to Mitt him now when we have no other feasible candidate in the wings? Is that a good wining strategy?

Born in the USA to two non-citizens??? Is that Natural Born?

174 posted on 05/12/2013 8:21:12 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I saw Pickering on MTP this morning. He seemed clueless; either incompetent, senile or part of the conspiracy. Maybe that was his bad showing?


175 posted on 05/12/2013 8:21:41 AM PDT by Bernard (The only Fair Tax is the tax that taxes you and not me.)
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To: mylife

The reality is that no one knew how long the crisis would last. The seven hours is in hindsight. As Issa rightly said, what decisions were made in hour one when no one knew the outcome. Did we start the wheels in motion to send assistance?


176 posted on 05/12/2013 8:23:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cheerio

What cross border rescue effort was in progress and had to be halted?


177 posted on 05/12/2013 8:23:14 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Exactly.


178 posted on 05/12/2013 8:23:17 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Helping the Muslims own the Mediteranean. (and the oil)


179 posted on 05/12/2013 8:23:26 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: kabar

You don’t put people in places like that without a contingency plan.


180 posted on 05/12/2013 8:24:20 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: PaleoBob

It is my suspicion that Dempsey and Panetta were dis inclined to involve the military is because Benghazi was a CIA operation.


181 posted on 05/12/2013 8:25:46 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: mylife

You don’t put people in that situation period. If the host government cannot protect you, then you shouldn’t be there, a contingency plan not withstanding.


182 posted on 05/12/2013 8:27:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ez

It is like watching the Muslim invasion of Andalucia all over again.
They have the entire north of Africa from Mali to Egypt


183 posted on 05/12/2013 8:27:21 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: kabar

Amen.


184 posted on 05/12/2013 8:27:57 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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Am I missing something here????

Col Cartwright USMC on ABC just said that it would have taken until the next day to send any military aircraft over Benghazi — atleast 9 hours to fuel and load ordinances — so no rescue by air was possible.


185 posted on 05/12/2013 8:28:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: csmusaret

It is not Dempsey’s or Panetta’s call. Most of the people there were CIA, but there were 8 State employees and no doubt some DOD folks.


186 posted on 05/12/2013 8:28:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PaleoBob

Speaking of liars and political hacks in the top levels of the military, I expect Colin Powell to come out of the closet any day now. Any man who has kissed that much ass just has to be gay.


187 posted on 05/12/2013 8:30:47 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

“Barack Buttstain Obama”

Any Intel guy would read the name and say “Hmmm... , I suspect this guy has Muslim allegiances”


188 posted on 05/12/2013 8:31:14 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: Alas Babylon!; bray; shalom aleichem; patriotspride; rodguy911; don-o; FreedBird; TomGuy; piasa; ...

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network)


If you haven’t seen it yet, try to catch the Fox panel in the second half of the program when it re-airs this afternoon. Of all people, Dennis Kucinich just killed it on Benghazi and the IRS scandal. I’m not kidding. Wallace’s jaw practically dropped, and Krystal said what I was thinking: “I’m still trying get over the fact that I agreed with every word Dennis said today.”


189 posted on 05/12/2013 8:31:29 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Uncle Chip
Col Cartwright USMC on ABC just said that it would have taken until the next day to send any military aircraft over Benghazi — atleast 9 hours to fuel and load ordinances — so no rescue by air was possible.

General Cartwright may be right, but the question should be, "Were those assets set in motion as soon as the report of the attack came in?" No one knew how long this would take-- hours, days, or weeks. What decisions were made in hour one to send help?

190 posted on 05/12/2013 8:32:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: csmusaret

Speaking of liars and political hacks in the top levels of the military, I expect Colin Powell to come out of the closet any day now. Any man who has kissed that much ass just has to be gay.


I had some dealings with him in my time and that’s all I’m gonna say. Well, I would add that you could see what he was Way Back When if you just let yourself look.


191 posted on 05/12/2013 8:33:24 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: kabar

What the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs recommend to the Commander in Chief is definitely their call.


192 posted on 05/12/2013 8:33:41 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: PaleoBob
Dennis Kucinich just killed it on Benghazi

I caught that too. I was wondering if he ran out of LSD, or maybe Benghazi caused him to snap.

Then his intelligent/sane personality emerged and sent his "Mayor of Crazy Town" personality into submission.

193 posted on 05/12/2013 8:35:40 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: csmusaret

It is my suspicion that Dempsey and Panetta were dis inclined to involve the military is because Benghazi was a CIA operation.


It’s pretty much true it was a CIA op but that’s irrelevant. Once the gunfire broke out and we have guys on rooftops lasering targets it’s military, end of story.

I want my money back.


194 posted on 05/12/2013 8:37:14 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: kabar

Seriously, I have seen guys scrambled without any paper work within 30 mins to head to Libya or any damn place you wish.

They file the paperwork while you are on the way.

Back channels are lit up
Secondary plans are in effect.

We have deep coverage.
The notion that Obama could not for see this event is ludicrous.


195 posted on 05/12/2013 8:37:23 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I caught that too. I was wondering if he ran out of LSD, or maybe Benghazi caused him to snap.


LOL! I was actually wondering if I’d taken the wrong thing for my cold.


196 posted on 05/12/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: csmusaret
What the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs recommend to the Commander in Chief is definitely their call.

The operative word is "recommend." The buck stops in the WH. And if SECDEF and JCS recommended doing nothing, then they should be fired.

197 posted on 05/12/2013 8:39:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I think I’d rather keep Issa (”Isa” means “Jesus” in Arabic) in charge of the committee, and not go for a select committee.

Everyone says we need a select committee in order to obtain subpena power. I do not agree with that. I believe subpena may be issued by a regular committee. If they are not complied with then you go to the full House for a vote (ala Fast & Furious - Holder in contempt), and then you do to court (why is THAT dragging?)

Anyway, Issa is doing well. I hope he keeps his pets inside.

Someone should start the drumbeat for a special prosecutor, independent counsel (whatever you wanna call it).


198 posted on 05/12/2013 8:39:29 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

What did the Keebler Elf say?

He is a pretty funny fellow and a good conduit to their side.


199 posted on 05/12/2013 8:40:42 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear what is unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Seriously, I have seen guys scrambled without any paper work within 30 mins to head to Libya or any damn place you wish.

They file the paperwork while you are on the way.

Back channels are lit up
Secondary plans are in effect.

We have deep coverage.
The notion that Obama could not for see this event is ludicrous.


This is exactly right, just what I’ve been saying, and “If, Mr. General, sir, with all due deference, you can’t scramble from Aviano to save American lives in Libya, then, um, I forget, why are we spending billions on an airbase there?”

I want my money back.


200 posted on 05/12/2013 8:41:35 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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