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Statistics Indicate an Ivy League Asian Quota
New York Times ^ | April 29, 2013 | Ron Unz

Posted on 05/04/2013 10:52:17 PM PDT by grundle

Harvard’s reported enrollment of Asian-Americans began gradually declining, falling from 20.6 percent in 1993 to about 16.5 percent over most of the last decade.

This decline might seem small. But these same years brought a huge increase in America’s college-age Asian population, which roughly doubled between 1992 and 2011, while non-Hispanic white numbers remained almost unchanged. Thus, according to official statistics, the percentage of Asian-Americans enrolled at Harvard fell by more than 50 percent over the last two decades, while the percentage of whites changed little. This decline in relative Asian-American enrollment was actually larger than the impact of Harvard’s 1925 Jewish quota, which reduced Jewish freshmen from 27.6 percent to 15 percent.

The percentages of college-age Asian-Americans enrolled at most of the other Ivy League schools also fell during this same period, and over the last few years Asian enrollments across these different universities have converged to a very similar level and remained static over time. This raises suspicions of a joint Ivy League policy to restrict Asian-American numbers to a particular percentage.

Meanwhile, the California Institute of Technology follows a highly selective but strictly race-neutral admissions policy, and its enrollment of Asian-Americans has grown almost exactly in line with the growth of the Asian-American population.

The last 20 years have brought a huge rise in the number of Asians winning top academic awards in our high schools or being named National Merit Scholarship semifinalists. It seems quite suspicious that none of trends have been reflected in their increased enrollment at Harvard and other top Ivy League universities.

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Over the past two decades, the number of Asian college students in the U.S. (represented by the dotted line) has doubled.

During that same time, the number of Asian students who attend Caltech, which has race blind admissions, has also doubled. This is represented by the dark red line, which largely matches the dotted line.

However, there was no such increase - or even any increase at all - in the number of Asian students who attend Ivy League schools (represented by the other eight lines). None of the lines for these colleges are anything even close to matching the dotted line. This suggests that Ivy League colleges have a quota that limits the number of Asian students.

1 posted on 05/04/2013 10:52:17 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Alas as the author probably knows Harvard class of 2016 was 21% Asian-American.

http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/statistics.html

That of course sort of undermines his case and makes him look bad for ignoring something it took me one search to find. Of course it is the type of thing I expect from the low rent outlet this is published in which why I don’t read anything from that outlet.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 11:10:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: grundle

Black and Hispanics have a lot of ‘splainin’ to do.


3 posted on 05/04/2013 11:10:40 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: grundle

In what universe would a graduate of Brown, Harvard, etc, be as valued as a graduate of CalTech anyway? America needs to face facts, the Ivys are not putting out a quality product. It makes sense that they avoid quality raw material.


4 posted on 05/04/2013 11:11:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: grundle

What a terrible dilemma for The Times. Discrimination of an immigrant group? But is it the right immigrant group? I’ll bet they truly do not know how to respond, and will await instruction from our overlords.


5 posted on 05/04/2013 11:14:44 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: JLS

Yes, but at CalTech with it’s race blind policy, it’s 39% asian. I guess those poor little asian kids are unable to compete with the ivy applicant crowd. So which is it, do asian kids look at the ivyies and judge them as beneath them? (causing them to apply at only about half their expected numbers) or are the Ivy schools the only place on earth that their lower quality is ferreted out bu admissions officers?

OR, do the ivys keep the asians down to a manageable level to achieve diversity goals, revealing that they value their social games of PC, and access to power over actual education?


6 posted on 05/04/2013 11:27:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

The “elite” schools output quality is based more on the quality of the input (kids) than the process (profs).


7 posted on 05/04/2013 11:34:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: grundle

This is not new news, though it maybe for the reality impaired folks at the NYT. Did they report MIT numbers?
In a related vein, back in the 80s Asian Americans were three times as likely to go into engineering and the hard sciences as Caucasian Americans and almost six times as likely as African Americans.


8 posted on 05/04/2013 11:41:23 PM PDT by bjc
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To: DesertRhino

So which is it, do asian kids look at the ivyies and judge them as beneath them?

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Interesting thought. In reading the story of the Harvard-educated Taiwanese-American who plays for the Houston Rockets (Lin), one learns that he chose Harvard only after he learned that UCLA did not pick him to play for them.


9 posted on 05/04/2013 11:44:49 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: bjc

MIT’s Class of 2016 has 28% Asian American.


10 posted on 05/04/2013 11:49:12 PM PDT by bjc
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To: Paladin2

I think it’s both. They can roll their eyes at the most qualified applicants and go the “wholistic” route. So ignoring better qualified asians makes no difference to them. And remember, they have become nothing but a rubber stamp for elites to ensure their kids can get into power positions, they select FOR that. Obama is a classic example.
He could have never got in on merit. (nevermind to CalTech)

But students aside, this is why the Ivy schools can repeatedly hire the trainwrecks they have as professors. Kagan, Elizabeth Warren, etc etc...

They whole thing is a leftist joke divorced from education. Students, Teachers, all of it.


11 posted on 05/04/2013 11:50:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: grundle

Whether it is traffic stops, bank loans, IQ tests, or whatever, Asians prove wreak havoc with the racist America narrative, evidently America is racist against whites Hispanics and blacks in favor of Asians in most cases, if we are to believe what liberals claim about race based statistics.

Well at least cops and banks are, but evidently bastions of liberalism are not, they have gone in the other direction.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 11:52:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: grundle

I’ll take Caltech degree over Ivy league any day.


13 posted on 05/05/2013 12:03:12 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: DesertRhino
Too many "elite" uni profs today are leftists and more concerned with equality of outcome than teaching the accumulated truely scientific/statistically significant verified learnings of their specialties.

Hence an "elite" diploma is of less real value than it used to be 30 years ago.

14 posted on 05/05/2013 12:15:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: grundle

Pretty soon it will be, Asian, Jews and Whites need not apply as you are too smart, we have to cater to the cultures that don’t value educating their youth first......


15 posted on 05/05/2013 12:41:40 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
Pretty soon it will be, Asian, Jews and Whites need not apply as you are too smart, we have to cater to the cultures that don’t value educating their youth first.....

Which would quickly be the end of any institution which tries. The schools that nobody has ever heard of will become the new 'elite'. That's already happening in some cases. There was a recent report which listed some small private colleges as the most rigorous, right up there with MIT, Caltech, Stanford etc. Employers and grad programs will be taking notice.
16 posted on 05/05/2013 1:23:23 AM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Usagi_yo

My father’s doctor was Asian. His son, who was very, very smart, chose CalTech because it was closer to home (Mom & Dad) in Washington State, than to MIT.


17 posted on 05/05/2013 1:38:32 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: grundle
You have the affirmative action crowd like O and Moochelle ... need to make room on the roster. What's a Ivy League school to do?
18 posted on 05/05/2013 1:41:10 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: grundle; All

Would not surprise me if there is another Asian Exclusion going on with liberal institutions

Note that CA, when they had their race-based Affirmative Action program for college admissions.... Asians were excluded

Black and Hispanic Ku Klux Klan type of racism-based groups are notoriously anti-Asian...as well as rank and file Blacks and Hispanics


19 posted on 05/05/2013 3:53:36 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: grundle

The author has a full length treatment of this subject here, The Myth of American Meritocracy, http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/.

It is actually somewhat impressive that the NYT published Ron Unz on this topic because his article in The American Conservative is devastating to much that the NYT holds dear. But the NYT version is not even half the story. The American Conservative piece is a Mac-Daddy presentation on historical trends by racial and ethnic group at the elite colleges measured against the composition of the elite applicant pool.

The author concludes that there is without question a quota to limit Asian-Americans, just as there was to limit Jewish admission in the 1920’s and 30’s, when Jews were overrepresented in the elite applicant pool, just as Asian-Americans are today. Interestingly, Jews are no longer over-reprepresented in the applicant pool, but are admitted at high rates. As a result, they are over-represented now at the elite schools, about 400% of parity at some schools. Since this is a zero sum game, and they are doing affirmative action, something has to give. Asians and non-Jewish whites get the short end of the stick, to an astonishing degree. Whites get it even worse than Asian Americans, as shown by this figure: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg


20 posted on 05/05/2013 4:25:37 AM PDT by Buckhead
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Ivy League schools have never been strict meritocracies. Plenty of sub-par students have always been admitted due to oligarchic connections, athletics, etc.

I’d guess Jews had have been over-admitted more recently because they tend to financially support their alma maters, and then their children become ‘legacies’.

I’d also bet that Ivy League schools do in fact now have quotas for Jews, but that indicting data just hasn’t caught up. And, given the rate of intermarriage, ‘Jewishness’ isn’t as easy to determine as it once was.


21 posted on 05/05/2013 5:33:19 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: grundle

And all in all they are anti-white (non-jewish whites), but I hardly care since those PC idiots are fouling their Ivy nests.


22 posted on 05/05/2013 6:26:55 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: JLS

According to the graph, it looks like that was the approximate share of Harvard enrollment in 1996 as well—not exactly an uncutting of his argument.


23 posted on 05/05/2013 7:06:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I agree, not exactly undercutting the entire argument, but that makes the disinformation part even more puzzling? But again given the the source where the article is published, why would anyone expect the article to contain any real information.


24 posted on 05/05/2013 7:46:18 AM PDT by JLS
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To: grundle

They have concluded that the Ivy League is not cost effective and look to places USC, California University System, Stanford and the technical institutes.


25 posted on 05/05/2013 9:33:49 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: JLS

What disinformation part? He simply hasn’t included current-year data.


26 posted on 05/05/2013 11:11:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

“He simply hasn’t included current-year data.”

Data that undermines his thesis that there has been a steady decline in Asia-American acceptance at Harvard. He is suggesting there is a quota and that quota is below 20% and Harvard is adjusting their numbers down to whatever the below 20% quota is.

That Harvard enrolled class essentially back to the percentage of Asian-Americans in the year he claimed a decline had started, makes the omission of the latest year disinformation on his part. He had a thesis and since the latest data did not fit his thesis, he ignored it.

Regardless, as I said it is in a disreputable source. So it matters little that it is one more untruthful article from that source.


27 posted on 05/05/2013 11:52:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

You are entirely missing the point of the graph and data that he is presenting. The percentage accepted has stayed within a narrow band (of 21% or below), while the pool from which they’ve been considered has doubled.


28 posted on 05/06/2013 3:46:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Here is the author in the article says is his point:

“... Thus, according to official statistics, the percentage of Asian-Americans enrolled at Harvard fell by more than 50 percent over the last two decades, while the percentage of whites changed little. This decline in relative Asian-American enrollment was actually larger than the impact of Harvard’s 1925 Jewish quota, which reduced Jewish freshmen from 27.6 percent to 15 percent.

The percentages of college-age Asian-Americans enrolled at most of the other Ivy League schools also fell during this same period, and over the last few years Asian enrollments across these different universities have converged to a very similar level and remained static over time. This raises suspicions of a joint Ivy League policy to restrict Asian-American numbers to a particular percentage.”

To make his claim he needs the Ivy lines on the graph coming to that nice tight bundle around 15% or 16%. Unfortunately for him it is not true so he omitted the last year of data. Additionally, you can not get that number from any of the numbers in the paper. The decline from 20.6% Asian-American to about 16/5% is a decline of about 20% not 50%. Heck using the wrong base only get one to 25%.


29 posted on 05/06/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT by JLS
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