Posted on 05/04/2013 1:46:58 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
Thanks for your response. I’d imagine that’s probably the course of action most often taken.
It is intrusive though, and I don’t care for the idea they demand this under penalties and aren’t shy about threatening action to get their way.
Most of us try to be law-abiding citizens, and don’t relish being put in the position of diverging from that in the course of our daily lives.
Sorry for the lag in response.
...unless you are planning to give them a kick in the @$$ when they come to threaten you, that is...
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I live in rural Texas. The County Sheriff is my friend. The conversation would go like this: (Threats, bit*hes, complaints and other noises by the ACS thug omitted...)
TXnMA: "You are trespassing, I tell you ONCE: Get off my property."
TXnMA: "You are trespassing, I tell you TWICE: Get off my property."
TXnMA: "You are trespassing, I tell you THE THIRD TIME: Leave. Get off my property!"
TXnMA: (now holding a loaded firearm) "On the ground/floor! Face down. Hands atop your head. Don't move!"
TXnMA: (to wife) "Call the Sheriff. Tell them I am holding a home invader/ trespasser at gunpoint. Ask them to send a deputy to enlighten this intruder re Texas trespass law."
TXnMA: (to intruder:) "Shut up! DO. NOT. MOVE! Any action on your part will be interpreted as an existential threat to me and mine, and I will take appropriate defensive action. STAY STILL AND QUIET!"
~~~~~time passes~~~~~~
TXnMA: (to deputy:) "This perpetrator intruded onto my homestead, passing a clearly visible 'No Trespassing!' sign to do so. He then proceeded to verbally assault my wife and me with threats and personal insults. I thrice warned him that he was committing trespass, and ordered him to leave my property. As you can observe, he is still continuing his verbal assaults. I release the prisoner to your custody."
TXnMA: (to intruder:) "Are you in need of toilet paper before the deputy places you in his vehicle?"
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DON'T MESS WITH TEXANS!
P.S. This is not vain imaginings. I recently did this exact same thing to an obstreperous, obnoxious Jehova's Witness who wouldn't take my refusals and warnings as an answer. The sole difference is that, when I placed my hand on my sidearm, he decided to beat feet to his vehicle and heed my third order to leave.
Apologies. Forgot to courtesy-ping you, as OP, to #22.
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Mr. Henry, if you are reading this, my right index finger has periodic spasms. Sorry, I can't control them. Please move on to the next house (although Mr. Henry, my neighbor is a Bible toting, gun loving, veteran who has the same uncontrollable right index finger).
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Commencing to ignore.
I am currently under siege in San Francisco for my refusal to answer this survey. They have called me over 10 times, sent me mounds of threatening letters and come to my door THREE times-—twice on Saturdays! Although I was out of the country for the first few weeks of the onslaught, now I am getting hounded on a nearly daily basis. I made one return call to the LA regional director and told him I would not answer and that the attempt to mandate my compliance was unconstitutional. But that didn’t stop them! TWO more personal visits and one telephone call. The intrusion is scary. And they wonder how Nazi Germany came into being!
I am shocked by most everything that is written here. First has anyone gone on to the Census website to see the data there? Do you know there is a Census app for the iPhone? The data goes back years, it is not exclusive to Obama’s presidency and it is transparent. It is not collected and hidden for a select group of end users. Census data is used by businesses, schools, hospitals. Anyone can access it.
As to Census workers threatening people or coercing them, I am unfamiliar with that being taught in any class, in fact, that behavior is exactly the opposite of Census training. That kind of behavior is MORE likely to lead to refusals and anger. It is completely counter intuitive.
Census workers have a right to enter your property and ring the doorbell. They can walk up your driveway and call out to you if they hear you in your backyard. Their job is to make personal contact so that they can collect the data. They will leave notices on your car if they have to. It is not meant to harass you, but to gain contact.
Census workers are hourly wage earners, so every time you avoid them you are costing the government money, because they have to keep coming back. AVOIDERS are the ones COSTING THE GOVERNMENT MONEY.
Census workers are there to collect data, not to harass you, but if you avoid them they follow protocol, they continually call and visit to try to make contact. Your avoidance simply escalates the contacts.
Census workers will talk to your neighbors. If you are on vacation for two weeks and a neighbor tells the Census worker, it saves trips and therefore it saves the government money from wasted effort. Census workers may ask your neighbors when you are home. Again to save unnecessary visits. Census workers may ask your neighbors about the household. If there has been a recent death it helps the Census worker to avoid asking for the deceased. People move and it helps the Census worker to know the names of the new people living in the household, so they can address them properly.
Census workers do not have access to IRS information. They do not ask for SSN’s or bank account information. And if one does this, make an excuse to end the interview and call the police.
After the data is collected it is stripped of all identifiers, in exactly the same way any other research is completed. The data is then aggregated, put in a pot and stirred. No one can go to the census website and put in John Smith at 22 xxxx St in Anywhere, USA and see his personal data, but they can find out what percentage of people in Anywhere, USA walk, bicycle or drive to work.
The Census surveys are designed to collect data to run the country and keep abreast of trends. One of the trends is bicycling, a trend that requires bicycle lanes. It is not surprising that questions about bicycles and bicycle lanes is on the latest American Housing Survey.
And for those of you who mentioned Germany, consider this, in 1987 Germany stopped conducting censuses and now finds itself short of over 3 1/2 million people. This is like losing 3 major cities. All their projections for the future are wrong. They have an impossible situation on their hands from the erroneous belief that they did not need a census.
In Canada they decided to make the Census “voluntary.” Guess what happened? Nothing. Now they have nothing, but big black areas with no data and no statistics to support doling out funds to these areas.
I hate telemarketers, because my home is my castle and they are invading it, trying to sell me things I have no interest in. Even after being on the “Do Not Call List” I get calls every damn day. But census workers are not telemarketers. They are data collectors for your town, your state, your country, think of it as the easiest community service you can ever do. Give them the data and unlike telemarketers and door to door sales people they won’t be coming back for years and possibly NEVER if you fill out and return the survey when it is first mail to you.
I am shocked that YOU consider this government intrusion fine and dandy! I really don’t CARE what data the census is compiling (outside of its Constitutional mandate) and I don’t believe that the census has any function OTHER than what is written in the Constitution! Does an iPhone app make the intrusions OK in your mind? Shocking!
I am entitled to my privacy and given the fact that the government has absolutely zero ability to protect my privacy I must be the final decision-maker about what I do and do not disseminate. Are you even familiar with what is asked on that survey? It’s outrageous!
The sole purpose of the American Community Survey is, in the words of the Census Bureau itself, “To provide more government services”. I don’t want more government services provided!!! I want FEWER government services provided. When I told one Census worker I was not going to comply with the survey he spoke down to me like one would to a small child and said, “Don’t YOU use government services?” and I told him in strong terms, “NO I DO NOT!!!” To me, this is what is WRONG about the direction of the country. To you, apparently, it is the opposite. And you are a freeper?
LOL... you certainly are the useful idiot for Govt Goons!
Oh, I wouldn't want to inconvenience the government by costing them money no would I?
I filled out the minimum required info on my census as prescribed by the Constitution.
The government morons told me I was breaking the law by not filling out everything. I told them to arrest me.
2013 still not in jail.
Despite not having an effective program of PII protection, Timberlane this week asked us to provide a LOT of information that they do not need to educate our kids to an untrusted third party through an insecure database. I encourage all parents to contact the SAU and ask that this database be taken offline and purged of all PII data. Here’s why…
http://danvilledelivery.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/personally-identifiable-information/
Refused the last one sent in with none of your business answers - couple of years ago. New ones received.... 2 plus post cards and today phone call. Funny how this is a “random” survey, but they have my phone number from the Census. Will not be responding.
I plan on having my iphone ready to record any and all violations of my Constitutionally protected rights by any monkey they send to harass me or my family.
“The government is not spying, but it is trying to get responses so that it can better govern,” Henry said. “If people are not responding then they are governing themselves.”Experience tells me that when a representative of the government says "the government is not spying", it means they're spying.
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