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US tanker plane 'crashes in Kyrgyzstan after take off'
BBC ^ | May 3, 2013

Posted on 05/03/2013 4:16:35 AM PDT by cunning_fish

A US cargo plane has crashed after taking off from an airbase in Kyrgyzstan, local reports say.

The tanker aircraft had left the US Manas airbase near the capital Bishkek, officials told AFP.

The emergency situations ministry said the plane had broken into three pieces but information about casualties has yet to be released.

Seven crew members died when a US civilian cargo plane crashed at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan on Monday.

Witnesses of the Kyrgyzstan crash told local media that they heard a boom and saw an explosion.

The transport plane was carrying a cargo of fuel when it disappeared off the radar near the mountain village of Chaldybar, close to the border with Kazakhstan, Reuters reported.

The US military uses the Manas airbase to maintain its operations in Afghanistan.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bostonbombing; crash; kyrgyzstan; marathon; marathonbombing; tanker; tsarnaev; usaf
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1 posted on 05/03/2013 4:16:35 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

In one short article they call it a tanker plane, a cargo plane, and a transport plane.


2 posted on 05/03/2013 4:18:36 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

BBC.


3 posted on 05/03/2013 4:19:12 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

http://eng.24.kg/incidents/2013/05/03/26845.html

Plane explodes in air before crash 03/05-2013 15:02, Bishkek – 24.kg news agency , by Munara BOROMBAYEVA “Plane exploded in the air before its crash in the mountains nearby Chaldovar village,” local resident Nurlan Derdenov told 24.kg news agency .

According to him, the students have managed to shot the crash using their cell phones. When falling down, the aircraft hit a high-voltage power line. It is still not known, was it a passenger or cargo aircraft.

“The local emergency team and the police went to the scene of the accident,” he added.


4 posted on 05/03/2013 4:23:21 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
It was a KC-135, and it crashed 100 miles west of Bishkek, not at the airport.

US Military Plane Crashes in Kyrgyzstan

5 posted on 05/03/2013 4:29:08 AM PDT by magellan
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To: cunning_fish

This is two major plane crashes in a week.

No money for military maintenance?

Plenty for illegals.


6 posted on 05/03/2013 4:29:56 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: cunning_fish
"...when it disappeared off the radar near the mountain village of Chaldybar, close to the border with Kazakhstan

and

"students have managed to shot the crash using their cell phones."

and

"The Associated Press by telephone that the plane broke into three pieces when it crashed into an uninhabited area."[twitter link]
So we are to 'understand' that in an 'uninhabited area" of Kyrgyzstan students just happen to be standing, with their cell phones handy to capture video of an American military plane break into pieces before it crashes ?
7 posted on 05/03/2013 4:37:18 AM PDT by wtd
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To: wtd
FWIW, The Tsarnaevs came with their family to the US almost a decade ago from Kyrgystan.
8 posted on 05/03/2013 4:40:39 AM PDT by wtd
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To: cunning_fish

Give our leaders time to tell us what to believe. Do not look at any pictures or videos until our overlords release the ones we should see.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 4:46:21 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: 2banana
A friend of mine flies tankers. He said his training got down to the bone.
And yet I read that DHS spent a million dollars on dress uniforms and bagpipes.
Good to see this Government set its piorties straight/
10 posted on 05/03/2013 4:46:27 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: wtd

Good points. Seems odd, to say the least.


11 posted on 05/03/2013 4:50:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

I know.

Others know better, but It seems like a refueler


12 posted on 05/03/2013 4:51:45 AM PDT by stanne
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To: wtd

Muslim resistance retribution for the capture of the Boston bombers?


13 posted on 05/03/2013 4:56:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

If it’s a KC-10, then it is all three.


14 posted on 05/03/2013 5:00:24 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Also note, two "Kazakh" nationals, Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev, were charged with conspiring to obstruct justice in relation to the Boston bombings as well.
15 posted on 05/03/2013 5:08:37 AM PDT by wtd
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The KC-135R is equipped with the newer CMF-56 engine vs. the old KC-135A with the J-57 engine, which also used water injection of 5,581 lbs 550 gallons of demineralized water on take-off. Normal take-off was to 1,000 ft remaining pull back on the stick and hope to God it flew. During the mid-1980’s we were losing one crew a year in the old steam jets. One of the reasons I volunteered to cross-train from my flight position as a Boom Operator over to the KC-10A, Extender. The average R model tanker was built as an A model 1957-1964. Considering some of these aircraft are as old as I was when I flew them (a couple even older), it is a testament to the maintenance crews and aircrew that these museum pieces still fly. I will be praying for the safety of the aircrew, but realize how bad it can be when a flying gas station impacts the ground.

No Body Kicks Ass Without Tanker Gas (NBKAWTG) KC-135A/Q/RT Instructor Boom Operator 1979-1985


16 posted on 05/03/2013 5:11:06 AM PDT by KC-10A BOOMER (Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War!)
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To: cunning_fish

Who was conveniently on this plane that didnt survive?

Ron Brown BUMP.


17 posted on 05/03/2013 5:17:19 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: cunning_fish

Isn’t this the second one in two days?


18 posted on 05/03/2013 5:17:37 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: cunning_fish

Benghazi manpads?


19 posted on 05/03/2013 5:21:59 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Those suckers could definitely be anywhere in the world by now.


20 posted on 05/03/2013 5:22:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: cunning_fish
For those who never heard of the place.


21 posted on 05/03/2013 5:25:15 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: McGruff
Nice, thanks for posting the map.

"BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan (AP) — A U.S. military refueling tanker plane crashed Friday in Kyrgyzstan, the Central Asian nation's emergencies ministry said. There was no immediate word on any casualties.

Kyrgyzstan hosts a U.S. base that is used for flying troops into and out of Afghanistan and for KC-135 tanker planes that refuel warplanes in flight.

The plane crashed Friday afternoon near the village of Chaldovar, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) west of the Manas air base, the ministry said in a statement. It identified the plane as a Boeing 707, but that is a civilian airliner on which the KC-135 tanker is based.

The plane broke into three pieces when it crashed into an uninhabited area, the head of the region that includes Chaldovar, Kuralbek Khamaliyev, told The Associated Press by telephone.

The U.S. base in Kyrgyzstan, called the Transit Center at Manas, said it had no immediate information. The base, which is adjacent to the Manas International Airport outside the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek, was established in late 2001 to support the international military campaign in Afghanistan.

The base has been the subject of a contentious dispute between the United States and its host nation. In 2009, the U.S. reached an agreement with the Kyrgyz government to use the base in return for $60 million a year.

But the lease runs out in June 2014 and the United States wants to keep the base beyond that point to aid in the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.

AP
22 posted on 05/03/2013 5:36:07 AM PDT by wtd
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To: JerseyDvl

Yes, it seems like a planes drops like flies in that part of the world recently.


23 posted on 05/03/2013 5:37:13 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Yep!

And I’ve been on board those planes. The crews are the best in the world.

Don’t think these are accidents.

Where did those manpads from Libya go?


24 posted on 05/03/2013 5:39:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Everywhere. There are 20000+ of them.


25 posted on 05/03/2013 5:41:19 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Ugh.


26 posted on 05/03/2013 5:42:40 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Yorlik803

>>Good to see this Government set its piorties straight/

Straight and Nappy.

Hmmm


27 posted on 05/03/2013 5:49:17 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: KC-10A BOOMER

Are we still flying the old A model KC-135s or have they all been re-engined with the CFM-56s?

}:-)4


28 posted on 05/03/2013 5:51:53 AM PDT by Moose4 (SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.)
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To: 2banana
No money for military maintenance?

One was a civilian plane.

29 posted on 05/03/2013 5:53:56 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
In one short article they call it a tanker plane, a cargo plane, and a transport plane.

Well, it could be all three if the fuel was to unloaded at the destination (fuel being transported cargo and being stored in tanks), but a better descriptor would be nice.

30 posted on 05/03/2013 5:58:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cunning_fish

Carrying a cargo of fuel. Tight security over there? How convenient/easy would it be for someone to sneak an explosive on board before take off?


31 posted on 05/03/2013 6:00:08 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: fivecatsandadog

Don’t think so.

More likely is the possibility of weapons from Libya shooting at the plane.


32 posted on 05/03/2013 6:01:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
In one short article they call it a tanker plane, a cargo plane, and a transport plane

That's because it is all 3.
33 posted on 05/03/2013 6:01:40 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: Moose4

Unfortunately they are flying the old tanker’s still. One reason it has been a big interest in the tanker community to procure a new weapon system. Haven’t seen a new tanker since the 1980’s, which were only 60 KC-10’s, with only 59 remaining in the fleet. I watched the missing one burn to the ground on 17 Sep 87 at Barksdale AFB, LA. Great day to have a crew bus 15 minutes late or I would have been up close and personal on the aircraft parked next to it.


34 posted on 05/03/2013 6:05:16 AM PDT by KC-10A BOOMER (Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War!)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The cargo plane was a separate incident just the other day. It crashed on takeoff, presumably from a load that shifted aft or it wasn’t loaded properly in the first place. There is a video of it on youtube.


35 posted on 05/03/2013 6:08:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: wtd

Interesting - 2 crashes in that area, days apart - within a month since Boston. Have there been similar “accidents” there in the past?


36 posted on 05/03/2013 6:15:11 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Let's not be so open-minded that our brains fall out.)
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To: Moose4
Are we still flying the old A model KC-135s or have they all been re-engined with the CFM-56s?

The ones remaining in service have all been re-engined. However, they still have the same old airframe, many of them built well over 50 years ago.

They require a lot of maintenance to keep them flying. I suspect that has been cut to the bone, plus they have been run hard since 9/11/2001. It is a wonder we haven't lost more of these as well as other older aircraft. We have a rapidly aging and ridden hard fleet of military aircraft in all categories.

37 posted on 05/03/2013 6:17:25 AM PDT by Gritty (The Constitution's purpose is to insulate personal freedom from a lust for power-Judge A. Napolitano)
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To: KC-10A BOOMER

We had the old KC-135A Water Wagons in Saudi when we started Elf-One in the 1980s. As the Vice-Commander I was always having to respond to the locals in Riyadh about the dark black smoke they put out on take off as they climb over the city.


38 posted on 05/03/2013 6:19:06 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Multi-tasking USAF?


39 posted on 05/03/2013 6:19:11 AM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: 2banana
This is two major plane crashes in a week.

The first one was a commercial/contractor 747.

40 posted on 05/03/2013 6:23:55 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal...'cuz it’s yuckey and dumb'.)
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To: Gritty
Possible metal fatigue as cause? Or just some other mechanical problem due to the age of these aircraft?

A responsible thing for an USAF General to do is ground all these aircraft until what caused this crash is known.

This might be over-reacting, but one saying is better safe than sorry.

But then the lives of US Service Personnel are cheap to Obama and company.

He apparently is more concerned with the issue of Gay professional athletes than the safety of US Personnel (Benghazi as an example).

41 posted on 05/03/2013 6:26:36 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

That was my thought.

Even if that isn’t what brought this plane down, this gives us a picture of what the foreign enemy combatant in our White House is capable of doing to our military by arming others to do the job for him (and then he can blame them and pretend he’s doing everything he can to prevent terrorist attacks while his hands are under the table giving weapons to Al Qaeda and his wife is in the hospital high-fiving Bin Laden’s son Hamza for the Boston bombing).


42 posted on 05/03/2013 6:36:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: 9YearLurker

There is more to that story

Dear Ole’ Uncle has CIA connections through Graham Fuller.

Has has worked for a known front of the CIA as well

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-22/bombing-suspect-s-uncle-accused-kazakh-president-of-fraud.html

Don’t know what the Mysterious Uncle Ruslan is doing now.


43 posted on 05/03/2013 6:36:36 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: KC-10A BOOMER
Normal take-off was to 1,000 ft remaining pull back on the stick and hope to God it flew.

That's on a 2 mile long runway I presume. I used to watch them taking off while standing fairly safely by an ATC radar.

44 posted on 05/03/2013 6:39:59 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Ugh.

With 20,000+ manpads on the loose, we have nothing to fear with Obama as C-in-C, now do we?

[ /sarcasm off ]

45 posted on 05/03/2013 7:26:22 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Gritty

Right now I’m 60/40 accident/manpad.


46 posted on 05/03/2013 7:28:18 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Portcall24

One of the reasons I have hearing problems is the noise caused by the water injection. My first flight out of Castle AFB as a student was number 4 in a 4 ship Minimum Interval Take-Off (MITO) 12 seconds behind the tanker in front of us with 2 B-52s also flying water wagons in the lead. All we could see was black smoke until we rotated. At the time I was too young and dumb to figure out how damn dangerous that was. The steam jet would really make the earth move.


47 posted on 05/03/2013 7:31:32 AM PDT by KC-10A BOOMER (Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War!)
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To: cunning_fish

That’s because the KC-135 is all three. It has extra fuel tanks in the fuselage to transfer fuel, it has a large open fuselage inside to haul cargo, and it can have seats installed (or you can ride the horrible benches in it) to act as a transport.


48 posted on 05/03/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Zaphod58
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To: Moose4

They were all reengined a long time ago. The last E model (with the TF-33) is in the boneyard now as well. All that are left are R models.


49 posted on 05/03/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Zaphod58
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To: topher

They can’t. The USAF doesn’t have enough airlift as it is, and the -135 plays a vital role in that mission, as well as the tanker mission. With only the KC-10 to take over that would leave no tankers left to perform the mission if they grounded the -135 as a precaution.


50 posted on 05/03/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Zaphod58
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