I care! Manchin is a gun grabbing idiot!!
Posted on 04/29/2013 10:08:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Eleven days after the amendment he co-authored to expand background checks for gun purchases was rejected by his Senate colleagues, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) sounded optimistic Sunday about a second try.
“I’m willing to go anywhere in this country, I’m going to debate anybody on this issue, read the bill and you tell me what you don’t like,” Manchin said on “Fox News Sunday,” reiterating his intention to bring his measure back to the Senate floor.
Mission impossible? No. But the rebooted fight Manchin is promising will face long odds during the next 18 months for a simple reason: High-profile political battles like the one over guns don’t happen in a vacuum.
Even after intense lobbying by President Obama, winning bipartisan support, and polling that showed 90 percent of Americans supported the idea, the push to expand background checks failed. After the vote, an angry Obama vowed the fight was not over and Manchin and other advocates have suggested losing the round doesn’t amount to losing the bout....
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He’s just trying to make points with Obama and the Progressives. he will go no place—he will be tarnished by it. He’s hoping the voters will have a short memory—I think he’s betting on the wrong horse this time.
I care! Manchin is a gun grabbing idiot!!
Yes. Because it shoes Libs never ever stop trying to deny your rights and that many of the GOP are willing to help them continue to do just that.
Everything in the Article implies that this bill was entirely desirable and workable.
Then again, this is exactly what we expect from the Obama Administration Post.
And by the way, thanks a lot, WV.
Good ol' Joe has delusions of grandeur since he made it to Washington. Word in the West Virginia press is that he sees himself as the next Bill Clinton, a "moderate" folksy former Governor from a rural state, and is trying to position himself for the VP spot or perhaps even a presidential run in 2016. Unfortunately, (for Joe) he needs to move left to have any chance nationally as a Democrat, he has way to much conservative baggage right now, an A rating from the NRA (or at least he did), pro-life and anti-gay marriage. (expect a lot of "evolving" on those issues in the near future.)
I really don’t think the problem is with the bill itself. I don’t support extra background checks ... but I think most people probably would.
The real problem is — nobody trusts the President or his lackies. When they say “its just about background checks at gun shows” nobody believes it. Nobody trusts that the Senate has even read the bill. Nobody trusts that Democrats wouldn’t shove some stupid incomprehensible footnote into a supposed ‘background check’ bill that chipped away at something other than background checks.
Manchin’s problem isn’t the bill. Manchin’s problem is the bill’s supporters.
SnakeDoc
show me how his bill stops another newtown. it won’t.
show me how this ill isn’t infringement disguised as “regulation”. regulation in the 2nd amendmnpent is a specific term meant to be applied to the practice and drilling of the militia, not restricting what arms a citizen could or couldn’t own,’nor had anything to do with background checks or waiting periods, or how you could sell your own firearm to someone else.
The late British gun writer, Geoffrey Boothroyd, was fond of saying the only natural enemies of guns are rust and politicians. It’s now obvious that politicians have proved far more dangerous.
Yes, that 90% lie gives them the *authority* to abolish the 2nd Amendment by default.
They will never stop. Even AFTER they pass some full disarmament legislation - it will not be enough.
Ruling Class Oligarchs and Leftists always end up going all the way - to genocide as the final solution - to all the problems they demand get solved.
NICS doesn't check a firearm's serial number, nor is it required to check a Social Security Number of an applicant, or establish residency, or anything else. It's just a yellow sheet from the ATF that says "If you lie on this form, you are in big trouble mister" and then does pretty much nothing else. The ATF very rarely prosecutes criminals for illegally attempting to purchase a firearm from legal means even if they perjure themselves on the ATF Form 4474 used in the NICS check. I think I read that that there were 80 convictions last year out of tens of thousands of denials, many of which were invalid denials because of shoddy government records-keeping. All NICS does is check an FBI database of known felons assembled from data provided to the FBI by the separate states, if they ever got around to it or are the least bit accurate. No state Dept of Justice will testify their records are accurate or up to date.
I'm fairly certain that if I had the go-ahead from some Congressional committee and immunity from prosecution by the DOJ, I could easily go around illegally purchasing firearms after submitting to a full NICS check using legitimate state-issued identification under fraudulent names. In fact, I bet I could acquire a legitimate state-issued driver's license under the name 'Dzhokar Tsarnaev' and turn right around and pass a Federal NICS check.
It also amazes me that teachers all over America rejected the notion that they're law enforcement officers in determining which of the students in their classes are illegal aliens when that was a hot issue, yet we demand that some fellow running a legitimate gun shop be a cop who who is an illegal alien and who's not --- never mind that several states give driver's licenses and state ID to illegal aliens.
Don't even get me started on how the Virginia Tech shooter and other recent spree-killers wouldn't have shown up on the NICS check even though they'd been institutionalized, even the loony that plugged Gabby Giffords. The mental health advocates are very much against adding wackos to the NICS check, and those incidents are the ones which prompted this whole 'Background Check' debate.
America needs to understand what the NICS background check actually consists of, not merely that "We oughtta have more background checks!"; our background checks we have no amount to basically jack and squat.
I heard some say that this will become “Obama’s Stalingrad,” that is a battle that he can neither win nor retreat from, and it will suck all the energy out of his secod term. One can only hope.
Manchin is the one who’s done.
It is frigthening how in lock-step the government and media are at this point.
“Not one word on the questionable constitutionality of the bill. Not one word on the costs. Not one word about the bill being “controversial.”
And not one word about the relevance of background checks to the actions of the Newtown shooter, or, for that matter, the Colorado theater shooter.
Which category of legal gun purchases presently is not subject to background checks?
They're still pushing that chestnut?
The MSM is so far gone, that they honestly believe they can continue to sell this swill in the face of simple logic and reasoning.
Any bill that has that level of strong support among the American people, will sail through Congress without a hitch. If a bill that is being pushed with all the force the White House can muster fails to pass, it's a clear sign that most Senators know which way the winds of public opinion are blowing on it.
So does the lying MSM.
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