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Shootings echo for the few who have fired guns in self defense
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | April 28, 2013 | Jesse Bogan

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:20:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

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To: Second Amendment First

Two comments regarding Mr. Wolf. First, carry in Condition 1, loaded, round in the chamber, and safety off.
2. Mr. Wolf was very lacking in SITUATION awareness. It is not SITUATIONAL awaremness. One is aware of the situation, not the situational, whatever a situational is.


51 posted on 04/28/2013 11:28:09 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: MHGinTN
I've carried the NAA version sometimes. Good for deep concealment, and better than mace if things go bad. Not much use for heroically stopping a dozen bad guys, but neither is my J-frame...


52 posted on 04/28/2013 11:37:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Second Amendment First

“...the man who attacked Wolf was dead on the grass, shot two times through the back. The assailant’s finger was resting on the trigger of a rusted chrome revolver, records show. One cartridge was spent; three rounds appeared to have misfired.”

Wolf used up a lot of luck that night!


53 posted on 04/28/2013 11:42:28 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I have been in two gunfights. I ALWAYS look for the best advantage I can.

Be polite,
Be sure,
and have a plan to kill every person you meet.

BTW many experts are now saying one of the best training tools for practicing clearing your own home is with airsoft.

http://full-contact.military.com/2012/11/09/tactical-firearms-training-airsoft-home-defense-drill/


54 posted on 04/28/2013 1:12:46 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

I disagree, for the simple reason that “hunting for criminals” is far riskier than letting them come to you.

Tactically, I would prefer to be at the end of an unlit hallway, mostly inside a room, aiming up from the floor. From this position there is almost no way for them to enter the other end of that hallway safely, unless they have hand grenades.

Typically, they will enter the other end at 75-100% erect, looking and aiming for a target at about the same height. And if they’re really dense, they will try to come in tight around the wall, which doubly fails because I will see them before they see me, and bullets can pass through most interior, non-brick walls. Even when they see me aiming up at them, they still have an awfully long delay before they can aim lower effectively.

Even if they take their time coming to me, I can be patient, because every sound they make will increase my advantage.

If I have pests, I call the exterminator. If I need my house “cleared”, I call the cops. If I want to take out an armed robber, I want to do so on my terms.


55 posted on 04/28/2013 2:15:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So be it. I have been in shoot houses where the kids rooms were separate from the Master by a great distance. Your proposed method leaves the bad guys to do what they want to the kids while you wait for them.

Many gun ranges now have the capability to come to your home and film it and then put you in a simulator to see the best ways to clear your house. Ala Star Trek Halodeck.

I am also an advocate of active closure. I am certain we do not see eye to eye on that either.

I guess we agree to disagree. Hope neither of us have to experience a home invasion or burglary.

56 posted on 04/28/2013 3:49:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: AuntB

Thanks for that WSJ column - good info, and another professor to put up alongside John Lott.

Found her at http://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/directory/fulltime/malcolm_joyce


57 posted on 04/28/2013 3:52:29 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I absolutely agree with that hope. I also know that arguments about tactics never end, so most any disagreement is often an impasse.

As an aside, there are two things of great concern on the subject. The first is the criminal technique that began in the San Diego area, of the “knock home invasion”, in which a team often of two invaders with a car and two others on the street in a second car. One of them knocks on a door, and if someone answers, they say something nonthreatening and leave. If no one answers, they break the door down.

The technique moved up the coast and is now moving inland rapidly, so it will probably be national sooner rather than later.

The other is the major problem, with about 20 million Oxycontin abusers, some percent of them addicts, who are now very rapidly moving to cheap Mexican heroin, because the Oxy has been reformulated to make it harder to abuse, and heroin is much cheaper. The changeover to heroin started in the Kentucky to Virginia region and happened overnight. And now the Chicago suburbs have a 220% increase in heroin arrests.

Large numbers of junkies are a major pain in the butt, and will in turn cause a crime wave.

The 20-teen years may soon be called “the home invasion decade”.


58 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Colorado Doug

A derringer revolver.

http://www.kygunco.com/charter-arms-dixie-derringer-22-lr-revolver-1-18-5-shot-stainless-27369


59 posted on 04/28/2013 6:56:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Mr Rogers

What’s the grip?


60 posted on 04/28/2013 7:10:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Spok
For the average person, shooting someone is a very traumatic event. So is being robbed, raped, tortured, murdered and dismembered.

That's an excellent point. There is so much emphasis on the traumatic experience of the defender....but OTOH what about the even greater trauamtic impact to being robbed, raped, tortured, murdered & dismembered? Dumb ass liberals somehow think the 2nd set of options is preferable & morally superior to defending yourself with deadly force if necessary.

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It reminds me of another quote that I recall....

"That only a liberal can think it is somehow morally superior for a woman to be robbed, raped & strangled with her own panty hose, rather than defending yourelf!"

I tell you, the two most deranged sets of people on this planet are terrorist, blood-thirsty muzzlims, and deranged, mentally disordered liberals!

61 posted on 04/28/2013 10:21:23 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: lgjhn23

There is nothing “double action” about a Glock. WTF are people talking about?


62 posted on 04/28/2013 10:26:05 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: Mr Rogers; Right Wing Assault

How do you like that IWB grip, and does it actually feel secure for all-day CCW or just to keep it handy during a dicey few minutes?

I’d love to find similar - just for handiness, not all day - for my N-frame car carry piece of recoil therapy.


63 posted on 04/28/2013 11:28:36 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Right Wing Assault; Titan Magroyne

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/579301/desantis-clip-grip-right-hand-smith-and-wesson-round-butt-j-frame-polymer-black

I’ve kept it on the gun because it feels pretty comfortable to me when shooting. I don’t carry daily, because a lot of my trips to town take me by the military base where I cannot legally keep a gun with me, even in the trunk of my car. I normally use it just to slip in my jeans pocket if I’m going somewhere at night. That makes it very handy. It is very easy to draw from that position and easy to cover with a shirttail. For under $20, I think it is a very good grip.


64 posted on 04/29/2013 6:42:32 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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65 posted on 04/29/2013 6:44:04 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Royal Wulff

“..There is nothing “double action” about a Glock. WTF are people talking about?...”

Pistols can be SA or DA/SA. 1911s are usually SA only whereas many of today’s pistols are DA/SA. There is no external hammer and the first shot can be fired simply by pulling the trigger, like a DA revolver, and every shot after that is SA mode. Google DA/SA pistols for more info.
Actually, Glock’s term for their pistols is “Safe Action” Glock pistols are equipped with their “Safe Action”® System, a fully automatic safety system consisting of three passive, independently operating, mechanical safeties, which sequentially disengage when the trigger is pulled and automatically reengage when the trigger is released.
Go to the Glock webpage, under technology section, look at Safe Action for actual diagrams of how they work. Heck, I’ve carried a SA 1911 Commander “cocked & locked” for years. Carrying one in the tube of a Glock is my preferred method of carry....no racking of slide, just point and shoot. It’s my original “point & click” device.


66 posted on 04/29/2013 8:09:27 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks! I was searching but couldn’t find the pic. Those two indentations look good.


67 posted on 04/29/2013 5:44:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks, that’s a right handy little grip, and an excellent sale on it lasting only through today as well.


68 posted on 04/30/2013 12:11:56 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Second Amendment First

“Even armed soldiers and police officers often go entire careers without firing a shot on duty....”

I was just talking with a guy last week. His father had been in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and never was wounded. His first job back home was as a security guard at a bank. His first day on the job there is a bank robbery and he trades shots with the bad guys and got wounded!!


69 posted on 04/30/2013 12:23:21 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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