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Shootings echo for the few who have fired guns in self defense
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | April 28, 2013 | Jesse Bogan

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:20:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

The threat emerged here in the evening darkness, as John Wolf was out for a walk on the fringe of his working-class neighborhood. The threat was a suspicious man, also on foot, coming right at him.

Wolf crossed the street, breathed easier and kept going. Soon enough, though, the same man sneaked behind Wolf and stuck a .38 caliber revolver into his neck.

“He must have told me he was going to kill me 10 times,” said Wolf, 59.

Unbeknownst to the robber, Wolf had his own .40-caliber Glock semi-automatic pistol hidden under a loose hanging shirt. And so there, on May 4, 2010, near the 1300 block of Eagles Way Court, Wolf had a decision before him that only a fraction of gun owners make.

For all the attention that is placed on the nation’s estimated 300 million firearms, most guns rest in cases, drawers and safes. Few are holstered. Few get used to actually stop a threat. Even armed soldiers and police officers often go entire careers without firing a shot on duty.

But Wolf is the kind of avid gun collector who had worked through in his head how he might react in exactly this situation. Even so, in that moment, he wondered.

Would he cower? Could he regain control quick enough? Was it worth the risk? Or would he get shot in the back walking away if he went along with the robbery?

Wolf began by playing along. He handed over his wallet. Then he asked if he could have his license back. The distraction gave Wolf the precious split second in a stick-up he needed to pull his own weapon, rack a round into the chamber and tell the robber to drop it.

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1 posted on 04/28/2013 8:20:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

“pull his own weapon, rack a round into the chamber”

I don’t think carrying a double action firearm and then having to rack it before being ready to fire is a good idea. If you pull it, be ready to use it, immediately especially if one already has a firearm at the ready against you, IMO.


2 posted on 04/28/2013 8:23:31 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Second Amendment First

Inside the Twisted Mind of a Gun Grabber Pt. 3: Moms Demand Action’s Heather Whaley Edition
Posted on April 28, 2013 by Robert Farago

VIDEO:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/04/robert-farago/inside-the-twisted-mind-of-a-gun-grabber-pt-3-moms-demand-actions-heather-whaley-edition/#comments


3 posted on 04/28/2013 8:25:13 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Second Amendment First

Its all about deterrence. If you were a thief, would you break into the home of a hunter with a pickup equipped with a gun rack, or the college professor who lives not far away?


4 posted on 04/28/2013 8:26:03 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Second Amendment First
"The distraction gave Wolf the precious split second in a stick-up he needed to pull his own weapon, rack a round into the cha"

BZZZZT.

Low Information Newspaper Writer.

Either that or somebody just made something up.

5 posted on 04/28/2013 8:30:15 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: KeyLargo

This b_tch needs one of the yard signs which informs perps that the house is a gun-free zone. The female probably votes twice every election cycle, being sure to vote in VA for the democrip candidate and in Tennessee for whatever thing runs against a republicant.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 8:39:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Much food for thought. Thanks for posting!


7 posted on 04/28/2013 8:40:04 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Second Amendment First

“Shootings echo for the few who have fired guns in self defense”

There are more than a few who have fired a gun in self defense, it’s just that reporting them is not in line with the liberal medias agenda.


8 posted on 04/28/2013 8:40:53 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mouton

I agree. If you are out walking around there should already be one in the tube.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 8:43:18 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mouton

So he pulled his gun, and chambered a round before the thug could tell what was happening? /BS


10 posted on 04/28/2013 8:44:18 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Second Amendment First

For the average person, shooting someone is a very traumatic event. So is being robbed, raped, tortured, murdered and dismembered. Our society seems to have a vision of life without hardship or difficult choices. We have become so safe and prosperous that we can imagine such an existence, and think we can create it with endless rules and wishful thinking. We can’t.


11 posted on 04/28/2013 8:48:56 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Second Amendment First

I call BS on this one.
There should have been a round in the tube on a Glock double action. Second, when he pulled it, he should have emptied the entire magazine into the perp defending himself while doing society a big favor. Now, if this is true, the perp lives another day to do it again to an unarmed innocent, possibly killing them.


12 posted on 04/28/2013 8:49:09 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: KeyLargo

Am I correct? Isn’t it still against the law for any person deemed by a court to have a mental illness to own a gun?

so the stupid women trying to pull a gotcha was wrong
??


13 posted on 04/28/2013 8:49:36 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Second Amendment First
The distraction gave Wolf the precious split second in a stick-up he needed to pull his own weapon, rack a round into the chamber and tell the robber to drop it.

All English composition aside, I'd just NOT "tell the robber" anything, and let the gun speak for me.

But then, I've been poked with a loaded gun, and had to do some talking. The gun is way more efficient!

14 posted on 04/28/2013 8:57:27 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Second Amendment First

First of all, the incident with Wolf is a good partial illustration of the advantages of concealed carry, even if the aggressor has his gun out, cocked and aimed.

I seriously suggest an exercise with a friend, and not with guns at all. (I like to use cap guns, because the pop really drives the point home.)

The idea is to “role play” a mugging. Importantly, the friend needs to be emotional enough to *imagine* that he is trying to mug you on an open city street. Acting is involved.

His priorities: He is scared, too. He wants money, not to shoot you. He does not want to be seen or captured. As soon as he is done he wants to flee. His attention is in several directions.

Your priorities: You want to draw your gun, while making sure it will fire, then you want to cap him. He does not know you have a gun.

What you want is an opening. At *any* time you get one, even when he is leaving, you can take it.

This is not an idle exercise, but teaches some very key points about the value of cc in a gunfight. And the dynamics of gunfights are so telling that the Nobel physicist Niels Bohr had his students performing timed gunfights, and reached some interesting conclusions.

Importantly, this lesson is even getting through to the criminals these days, because many more armed robberies are now beginning with “sucker punches” with fist or blunt object like a baseball bat, to disable the victim first, just in case he is armed.

So situational awareness is just as important as having a gun.


15 posted on 04/28/2013 8:59:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: FreedomStar3028

“So he pulled his gun, and chambered a round before the thug could tell what was happening? /BS”

I’m not sure how the laws are written in Missouri but it could be part of his defense from prosecution or a law suit.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 9:01:28 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Second Amendment First
We cannot even deal with our social problems. Even here the poor souls defending themselves and others moan and whine over the fact they defended themselves. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that the criminal attacking them would not have lost a moments sleep if he had killed them.

We all know the source of our social, political and economic difficulties and we cannot even name the source much less do anything about it.

17 posted on 04/28/2013 9:03:41 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Mouton
I don’t think carrying a double action firearm and then having to rack it before being ready to fire is a good idea. If you pull it, be ready to use it, immediately especially if one already has a firearm at the ready against you, IMO.

It's probably state law.

18 posted on 04/28/2013 9:10:29 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: Parley Baer

Later in the article he said he regretted not having one chambred in the police report.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 9:10:37 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Second Amendment First
she gripped her five-shot derringer revolver

A derringer revolver?

20 posted on 04/28/2013 9:12:09 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: lgjhn23

Per the article, even the police chided Wolf for not already having a round chambered. And, after chambering a round, Wolf emptied his entire mag into the guy and then loaded a spare mag into his Glock .40 cal.


21 posted on 04/28/2013 9:18:27 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Data on the incidents of guns’ being used in self-defense vary widely from study to study. But only a tiny sliver of people use guns to kill someone engaged in a felony.

VPC has been playing up this angle lately, "if so few guns are actually used to stop violent crimes, why own one?" To this I say, "So what?" I have a fire extinguisher in my garage. I have never used it to fight a fire. In fact, I'd bet the vast majority of fire extinguishers hanging from walls across America have never been used to fight fires and I'm sure their owners, as am I, are perfectly happy with this. Doesn't mean I'm going to get rid of it.

22 posted on 04/28/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: RWGinger

I think that she is a Meth addict. Just look at her face, nose, and scratching constantly. The poor child wandering around behind this witch must be saying to herself, “Mommy is crazy,”


23 posted on 04/28/2013 9:20:45 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Colorado Doug
It was probably a .22...


24 posted on 04/28/2013 9:21:08 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Drew68

I like your fire extinguisher analogy. Makes a very good point.


25 posted on 04/28/2013 9:24:36 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Drew68

In that case, people defending themselves ought to always kill the perp rather than wounding him or holding him for police. If ya gotta kill ‘em for it to ‘count’, VPC must want more dead perps.


26 posted on 04/28/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by Bob
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To: RoosterRedux

Thanks for the picture. I had never heard of such a thing. I’m not sure that I would want one but I guess it worked for her. Still an Anaconda would have gotten her point across much better.


27 posted on 04/28/2013 9:42:52 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: RoosterRedux

Cylinder length and shape indicates that is the .22 magnum version. Trust me, I know these things.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Those commenting about Wolf pulling his weapon and racking it being BS didn’t read the full article. He handed the criminal his wallet and ASKED if he could just have his drivers license back. AS the criminal was apparently looking into the wallet, it gave Wolf the 2/3 seconds to rack. Smart move. See the advice the good Sheriff gave him.


29 posted on 04/28/2013 9:50:15 AM PDT by capt B
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To: MHGinTN

Yep. I have a friend who carries one.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 9:50:40 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Colorado Doug
Dixie Ranger .22

31 posted on 04/28/2013 9:51:54 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Mouton
I don’t think carrying a double action firearm and then having to rack it before being ready to fire is a good idea. If you pull it, be ready to use it, immediately especially if one already has a firearm at the ready against you, IMO.

For sure - always one in the tube so the most you might need to do is thumb any safety off. My pocket pieces are "LEO Spec" in that they have no safety. Convenient but the longer trigger pull takes a bit to get used to and to be able to maintain "double-tap efficiency". Way too much can go wrong if you try to acquire it in a hurry and have to worry about chambering a round on top of it.

32 posted on 04/28/2013 9:55:09 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Try practicing with air soft of the same model you carry. One of those little pellets is a great reminder of how you blew it. WEAR SAFETY GLASSES!!!


33 posted on 04/28/2013 9:58:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Second Amendment First
Magic Thinking seems to be a hallmark of any class of people dependent upon fedzilla for life:

“He could have shot my son in the arm or in the leg,” said Christopher Holland Sr. “I’d rather see my son in jail right now.”

The father said he left the incident in God’s hands and now, several times a week, he drives past the scene of his son’s death and honks.

“I say, ‘Hey, Little Chris,’ just to let him know I haven’t forgotten him.”

Had Wolf shot the perp in the arm or leg, the perp might well have shot Wolf in the chest or head in return. Best to drop the perp asap with however many boolits it takes to stop the assault delivered as quickly as events permit. The night blindness after the first muzzle flash is also a real phenomenon, and probably why Wolf was not prosecuted for shooting the perp in the back.

34 posted on 04/28/2013 10:01:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Mouton

Even if you have one in the chamber, having your gun in the holster when the other guy has his drawn puts you way behind.


35 posted on 04/28/2013 10:02:29 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: RoosterRedux
And, after chambering a round, Wolf emptied his entire mag into the guy and then loaded a spare mag into his Glock .40 cal.

He needed one of those 30 round magazines.

36 posted on 04/28/2013 10:02:38 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

I was wondering how a man could get shot by 10+ rnds of .40 cal and still walk across the street.


37 posted on 04/28/2013 10:06:21 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: RoosterRedux; All

“I was wondering how a man could get shot by 10+ rnds of .40 cal and still walk across the street.”

Not that uncommon. It takes a while for shot to have an effect. He did knock the guy down first. Immediate effects are close to certain with central nervous system hits, but even they are not 100%.


38 posted on 04/28/2013 10:30:11 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: RoosterRedux

IIRC, the story has two rounds that actually hit the perp, from behind.


39 posted on 04/28/2013 10:37:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: outofsalt

Isn’t that cute! I know that it could kill you but it would be hard to take someone seriously with one of those. A fatal mistake to be sure.


40 posted on 04/28/2013 10:39:46 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: outofsalt

DIXIE DERRINGER in .22 magnum. The .22lr cylinder is shaped differently, pinched in in the front more ... the frame will accomodate either .22lr or .22 magnum, but the cylinders must be longer than a .22lr only derringer.


41 posted on 04/28/2013 10:40:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I find the backstory of Wolf’s assailant interesting, that is to say, disgusting, especially in light of the criminal action he took.


42 posted on 04/28/2013 10:41:17 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Second Amendment First

I like to keep up with what the liberals are saying. Last night on PBS, the show “Need to Know” hosted by the ultra lib Ray Saurez had as guests three 2nd amendment “expert scholars”.

One was a woman, Joyce Lee Malcolm of George Mason Univ. Law School and I was expecting her to be the worst of them! Boy, was I wrong!

She was outstanding and put the 2 lib professors in their place with history and facts. She had them stuttering a couple times. She said owning guns is an ‘individual right’ and for the weak, old guns were an ‘equalizer’.

Here is one of her recent articles, and IIRC she has a book also.

Joyce Lee Malcolm: Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control

After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.[snip]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html


43 posted on 04/28/2013 10:45:15 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: MHGinTN

He (the perp) gets a government handout windfall, spends it all, is awaiting a next installment. He’s broke in the meantime, so decides to make a stop at the thug’s idea of a mobile ATM-another human. Potential cost of transaction in his mind-the human’s life. No big deal, after all, the government itself has sanctioned his receiving free money from the extortion of those who worked for it.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 10:46:35 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Second Amendment First
if it comes out, it better bark...
45 posted on 04/28/2013 10:52:29 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mrsmel

Well and truly stated ... sadly. Look what America has become with democrips at the helm too often. I wonder, will anyone realize democrips want America to look like Detroit? Maddy Halfbright let the cat out of the bag long ago, but folks just weren’t paying attention to anything but the lies from the media, enemy of the Republic.


46 posted on 04/28/2013 10:55:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Mouton

The Glock is striker fired, not double action. He probably did not have a round in the chamber because Glocks do not have an external safety. For this reason, some people choose to carry them with a magazine inserted but with no round chambered because they fear an accidental discharge. Of course, if makes more sense to have a round chambered and ready but some people choose not to do so for the reason stated.


47 posted on 04/28/2013 10:59:07 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

correction — ....Of course, it makes more sense to have a round chambered and ready....


48 posted on 04/28/2013 11:00:53 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: mad_as_he$$

That really won’t help in this case, as you are not practicing your quick draw or shooting someone, but *acting*, trying to figure out *realistically* the time intervals when you can use your weapon when faced off with an armed mugger.

Even both being armed with bananas (the Glock .40 banana), will work in this case.

The emphasis is where the mugger is focused, what he is paying attention to, when he is vulnerable to you, how much time to get your banana, make sure it is off safe, etc.

You are trying to tactically calculate fractions of a second for advantage. You are looking for an opening, like a boxer.


49 posted on 04/28/2013 11:22:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: outofsalt

Jeff Dunn did a great reveiw of the Charter Dixie Derringer. I have carried the North American Arms version as back-up for years. The NAA version has ‘rest’ positions between the firing chambers, so the weapon can be carried with five but the hammer resting in a non-chamber positon. To fire, pull the hammer back and a chamber rotates into position.


50 posted on 04/28/2013 11:28:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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