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Long but interesting.
1 posted on 04/25/2013 1:38:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So... what’s the “nightmare”?


2 posted on 04/25/2013 1:40:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Suuuure it’s all “dead dinosaurs”.

Suuuure.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 1:41:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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It’s been known for quite a while now that oil is produced from ROCK. Most likely, deep coal deposits heated by the core.


7 posted on 04/25/2013 1:45:11 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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Blame the Earths Core ,it’s cooking it up and sending it to us


8 posted on 04/25/2013 1:47:37 PM PDT by molson209
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The USA had more carbon based energy than anyone on earth. We can even make crude out of garbage. The nightmare is that the religion of Environmentalism can not control the earth through energy blackmail.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 1:50:38 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Not too many years ago the oil people drilling in the gulf found that the reserves are NOT depleting. They felt that there is oil still being made and of course one or two barrels not yet discovered.


13 posted on 04/25/2013 2:01:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Think about the power shift this admission would cause. The Middle East would go back to being the godforsaken wasteland it has been for millennia; Arabs and muslimes would go back to being bearded warblers with prayer rugs; the US could withdraw from a lot of murderous foreign entanglements and clean up our own back yard. And countries like Venezuela, Brazil, and Nigeria could return to chasing each other around with pointed sticks. our trade deficit would all but disappear and the dollar would be good as gold. we would retake our place at the top of the civilization heap and let the barbarians hack each other into chum.

Which is why the Globalist kumbaya crowd cannot let it happen.


14 posted on 04/25/2013 2:01:37 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Miracle for Republicans, nightmare for Democrats.


17 posted on 04/25/2013 2:07:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remeber Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

Uncle Sugar needed the area 2b clear, so they made up this huge lie about a baaaad nerve gas spill. Everyone is fleeing, terrified, and in gas-masks.

Everyone but Richard Dreyfuss, who understands the air is clear, and to the amazement of all, dramatically takes off his mask. And then —NOTHING.

The air was FINE —the emergency was simply a handy government tool.

That would never really happen.

Right?


20 posted on 04/25/2013 2:14:41 PM PDT by gaijin
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The earth is finite, and so are fossil fuels. They may be renewable, however. And there might be more than we could ever use.


24 posted on 04/25/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty in 1911. With characteristic vigor and verve, he set about modernizing the Royal Navy, jewel of the empire. The revamped fleet, he proclaimed, should be fueled with oil, rather than coal—a decision that continues to reverberate in the present. Burning a pound of fuel oil produces about twice as much energy as burning a pound of coal. Because of this greater energy density, oil could push ships faster and farther than coal could.

Well not quite. Churchill was undoubtably a Great Man (and nobody better at making the case for that than WSC himself), able to see a coming wave and ride it. But he didn't create the wave. If anybody that would be the previous First Sea Lord Admiral Jackie Fisher, known as an "oil maniac" since 1886. (Although he too had his flaws - he would have loved the LCS)

From Coal to Oil - Defense Technical Information Center>

One requirement, Fisher told Churchill, was that the Queen Elizabeth-class battleships be built as a fast division, able to outmaneuver and cross the T of the German fleet. In 1912, Fisher wrote to Churchill, “What you do want is the super-swift—all oil—and don’t fiddle about armour; it really is so very silly! There is only one defenceand that is speed!”9

The war college was asked how much speed a fast division would need to outmaneuver the German fleet. The answer was 25 knots, or at least four knots faster than possible at the time.

Churchill concluded, “We could not get the power required to drive these ships at 25 knots except by use of oil fuel.” This was enough for him. Queen Elizabeth-class battleships were built to burn oil only.

'Once this decision was made,' Churchill wrote, 'it followed that the rest of the Royal Navy would turn to oil: The fateful plunge was taken when it was decided to create the fast division. Then, for the first time, the supreme ships of the navy, on which our life depended, were fed by oil and could only be fed by oil. The decision to drive the smaller craft by oil followed naturally upon this. The camel once swallowed, the gnats went down easily enough.10'

Which illustrates Churchill's blind spot: Great on the big picture; a little shakey on the details. By 1912 the gnats (cruisers and destroyers) were already being oil-fueled.

That change, as in the case of the Queen Elizabeth battleships had been driven by technical and engineering requirements (not Churchill's strong suite)

In the early part of the century both German and British light warships were given high forecastles, for very different reasons. The German ships were high speed torpedo boats with a very weak gun armament (3 x 4pdr guns), the Britsh ships were seaworthy torpedo boat destroyer with weaker torpedo but a far heavier (4 x 12pdr) gun battery.

However that, together with the need for workd-wide deployment range meant the British "River"/E class ships were 3 knots slower than comtemporary German ones (losing the speed advantage previous British classes had)

That state was obviously unsatisfactory, so the next class the 1905 program "Tribal"/F class had 60% more diplacement, twice the horsepower, 4" guns, and speeds in the mid-30 knot range ("Snap, Kaiser Bill"), because they were oil fueled.

This created another problem - providing a flagship for the detroyer flotillas. The 26knot "E" class could be managaed by a 25 knot third class cruiser. But the F,H amd subsequent classes needed something faster - than meant oil fuel.

Enter the (designed before Churchill bought the ME oil) "Aurora" 3d class cruiser, similar tonnage to previous classes but twice the horse power and 29-30 knots. That meant Oil fuel was necessary.

Which introduced two complications. The first, loss of the protection od the coal bunkers, required addition of a 3" armourd belt, which added a managable 250 tons to the design.
The second rose from the fact than cruisers at this time were laid out like ships of Nelson's day - a row of guns along each broadside (6" in second class, 4" in third).

The "Aurora" swapped the fore and aft pair of 4" guns for single 6" on the centreline because the Hun had started to arm his destroyers with 3.5" guns and bigger is better.

It was then found that the additional speed meant the second pair of 4" was too wet to be fought in a seaway, so they were also swapped for a centreline 6".

The mixed gun calibres looked untidy, so next years 3d class cruisers had all centerline 6" armament. So now, compared to the "Town" 2d class cruisers, 3d class cruisers were 1500 tons lighter, crewed with a 100 fewer men, had the same 3" arnour, were 4-5 knots faster, and had the same broadside as the traditional layout 2d class ships - one type was clearly redundant.

Long story short, engineering, tactical, and strategic considerationa moved British cruisers and destroyers to oil fuel by 1913 (when Germans ships were still coal powered), before Churchill bought the oil.

37 posted on 04/25/2013 5:25:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (RIP Chrissie Amphlett.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no such thing as a “fossil fuel”


56 posted on 04/26/2013 11:34:37 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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