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How Government Killed the Medical Profession
Reason ^ | Apr. 22, 2013 | Jeffrey A. Singer

Posted on 04/23/2013 8:01:21 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Kevmo
Occam's Razor (that's how it's spelled) is about drawing the most likely conclusion, often the true one but not necessarily so... linear reasoning is both deduction and inductive.

But lawyers reason by Edward's Razor (John Edwards). That is, life is a lot more pleasant and lucrative when you have someone to blame for disappointment. You want to blame the AMA for your failure to get into med school. I'm no fan of the AMA, but they had nothing to do with your failure.

The AMA is not unlike any other institution, it exists to serve itself and its officers. Currently it is greedily exploiting Obama's willingness to let those officers get rich and powerful from a piece of software. It is chrony capitalism at work. The AMA supported Obama care, and Obama helps force doctors to use the AMA's software.

41 posted on 04/24/2013 6:10:16 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Occam’s Razor (that’s how it’s spelled)
***Triviality is the sign of a weak mind. From Wikipedia:

Occam’s razor (also written as Ockham’s razor from William of Ockham,

linear reasoning is both deduction and inductive.
***Please, please take a writing class. Are you trying to say it is both deductive and inductive? Or... both deduction and induction? The latter is more stupid than the former, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Basically you are engaging the classic fallacy of obfuscation, not addressing the matter at hand and diverting to a different subject. The matter at hand is that this is an inductive area of pursuit. You can try to plug the square peg of “linear reasoning” into the round hole of inductive reasoning but you’re not even close to accomplishing that goal.

But lawyers reason by Edward’s Razor (John Edwards).
***Again, the classic fallacy of obfuscation.

That is, life is a lot more pleasant and lucrative when you have someone to blame for disappointment.
***classic fallacy of poisoning the well

You want to blame the AMA for your failure to get into med school.
***Another classic fallacy, arguing from silence, as well as ignorance. I NEVER wanted to get into med school. I wanted and got into engineering school. So, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you’re proceeding from ignorance and the silence (of not knowing) of the evidence. It’s amazing how many fallacies you have piled up in this short discourse.

I’m no fan of the AMA, but they had nothing to do with your failure.
***Since I never failed to get into med school, your argument is utterly moot and, once again, employs classic fallacies.

The AMA is not unlike any other institution, it exists to serve itself and its officers.
***Like any other institution, if it steps over the line and starts working against its original purpose, it will destroy itself. Like the bible says, “a house divided cannot stand”.

Currently it is greedily exploiting Obama’s willingness to let those officers get rich and powerful from a piece of software.
***You’re focused on one piece of software rather than 60 years of advocacy. It is but a minor exception in light of those 60 years of effort.

It is chrony capitalism at work. The AMA supported Obama care, and Obama helps force doctors to use the AMA’s software.
***The AMA got cornered into allowing Obamacare to pass. The reason why they were cornered is that they allowed the costs of medicine to rise so high and so fast that the guvmint stepped in. 40,000 foot view. From that high up, your software example is invisible.


42 posted on 04/24/2013 8:21:35 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
I'm sorry all the engineering schools rejected you. Although I don't know how that happened, since educating an engineer is less expensive than educating a nurse. All that junk would be quite impressive, except that I can pick it up with a few searches. Plagiarism won't get you into engineering school.

The AMA is still not a guild.

43 posted on 04/24/2013 8:39:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Kevmo

Agh. The only thing more tiresome than a lawyerly venality is the Asperger’s syndrome of obsessive and poorly productuve engineers...


44 posted on 04/24/2013 8:45:56 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I’m sorry all the engineering schools rejected you.
***One of the reasons why we can all see that you engage in fallacious reasoning is due to your utterly poor reading skills. I said that I applied and got into engineering school. You read the exact opposite. There will no doubt be other examples of the poor reading and poor reasoning skills.

All that junk would be quite impressive, except that I can pick it up with a few searches. Plagiarism won’t get you into engineering school.
***Again, obfuscation, your favored classical fallacy.

The AMA is still not a guild.
***Provide some evidence and maybe I’ll follow it and go along with it. But at this point what you say is just an opinion, seeming to derive from some stupid software thing. Learn some reasoning skills. Take a writing class.

The AMA is still not a guild.


45 posted on 04/24/2013 8:51:49 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Mamzelle

Likewise, prince. ~Hidalgo


46 posted on 04/24/2013 8:54:48 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Get some treatment for that Aspergers. I hear Prozac is sometimes helpful.


47 posted on 04/25/2013 2:46:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Take that writing class. I hear people learn to think more clearly when they lose their affinity for classic fallacies.


48 posted on 04/25/2013 5:57:59 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: neverdem

Bump for tomorrow...


49 posted on 04/25/2013 6:22:00 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Kevmo
Well, we don't want another obsessive compulsive engineer, wild with his own bitter fantasies, flying a plane into an Austin governement building... Maundering and fretting and obsessing that the AMA (which I happen to know is dominated by lazy, greedy, self-serving fools) has enough power to control how many doctors are in the USA--

The AMA doesn't care about doctors any more than the AARP cares about seniors.

The number of doctors is controlled by the extreme expense of educating them. Luckily we can attract foreign educated doctors, but they don't speak good English, and not a few end up terrorists.

Another thing that is challenging the number is how many women MDs we now have who do not want to work the kind of hours men were wont to work. And the fiftyish docs now plan much earlier retirements.

I've known my share of engineers, too, who partied when they should have been memorizing pathways for organic chemistry. Make a C, lose out on med school.

Of course, there's a lawyer on this thread who knows that you don't have to take any math or science, can major in Queer Studies, and still get into a law school. That's how so many cowardly losers become lawyers.

50 posted on 04/25/2013 8:03:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I hope you didn’t expect anyone to actually read that stream-of-conscious bowlsheet.


51 posted on 04/25/2013 8:29:58 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Posts on a forum are like cherry blossom, little Apergrasshopper, they disappear before you even appreciate the bloom...


52 posted on 04/25/2013 8:32:04 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: JohnBovenmyer

The AMA is a liberal organization that does not speak for most physicians and hasn’t for at least the last 25 years. They are nothing more than an outdated overhyped liberal lobbying organization with delusions of relevance


53 posted on 04/25/2013 8:44:01 PM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Mamzelle

Loon

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54 posted on 04/25/2013 8:45:45 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Mom MD
The AMA is a liberal organization...

Now, yes, but it was not always so. Comments up thread implied the AMA and doctors in general never fought against the socialization of medicine. That is not so. They put up a very strong defense, prior to the passing of Medicare nearly 40 years ago and socialized medicine was no where near a sure thing. Freepers should understand history.

As Rush likes to say elections have consequences. Mayor Daily and LBJ's theft of the 1960 election for JFK was one . LBJ's shameless lies about Goldwater and waving JFK's martydom made 1964 another. The country, and the AMA, have not been the same since. Enough non-liberal doctors have left the AMA that it could be taken over and converted into a conservative organization if they were organized and motivated to rejoin and vote accordingly in AMA elections. I'm not saying it will happen, just that it could.

55 posted on 04/26/2013 11:58:13 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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