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Israel: Syria Has Been Using Chemical Weapons
NPR ^ | 04/23/2013 | GREG MYRE

Posted on 04/23/2013 3:23:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Israel's top military intelligence official said Tuesday that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons repeatedly, and he criticized the international community for not taking tougher action against the Syrian leadership.

Israel and the Syrian opposition have on multiple occasions accused President Bashar Assad's government of using chemical weapons in the country's civil war, but have not offered much in the way of evidence.

Israeli Brig. Gen. Itai Brun, speaking at a security conference in Israel, gave the most definitive statement so far by an Israeli official.

"To the best of our professional understanding, the regime used lethal chemical weapons against the militants in a series of incidents over the past months," Brun said, according to an Associated Press report from Tel Aviv. "Shrunken pupils, foaming at the mouth and other signs indicate, in our view, that lethal chemical weapons were used."

Brun appeared to be referring to attacks that took place near the capital, Damascus, and the northern city of Aleppo on March 19, and an attack in the city of Homs on Dec. 23.

The Israeli military believed that sarin, a lethal nerve agent, was probably used, Brun added.

President Obama, meanwhile, has warned Syria against using chemical weapons and stressed that if they are deployed, it would cross a "red line" and could provoke a U.S. response. However, the U.S. has said only that it is monitoring the situation and has not accused Syria of using chemical weapons.

Syria is believed to have a large chemical weapons arsenal, but has denied using them and has on occasion claimed that the rebels employed them.

Some Western military analysts have argued that the Syrian military still has plenty of conventional firepower, including aircraft and artillery, and therefore would have no pressing need to use chemical weapons.

In addition, analysts note, chemical weapons attacks could increase the likelihood that countries opposed to the Assad regime might intervene more directly in the conflict, which began more than two years ago and has left tens of thousands dead.

Following requests by Britain and France, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said a month ago that the U.N. was launching an investigation into the possible use of chemical weapons in Syria. However, the Syrian government has largely blocked that effort.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; chemicalweapons; huntforwmd; israel; russia; saddamhussein; saddamswmds; syria; waronterror; wmd
Could these be the very same Chemical Weapons ( AKA WMDs) the inspectors COULD NOT FIND in Iraq when Saddam was deposed?

Did he send the WMDs to Syria? ( After all, both are Baathist parties ).

The curious thing is Saddam used these Chemical weapons on the Kurds ( slaughtering over 5,000 of them ), but they suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth when the inspectors were looking for them.

Inquiring minds want to know...

1 posted on 04/23/2013 3:23:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Could be.

But it isn’t our problem, either or any way.


2 posted on 04/23/2013 3:25:01 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

“But it isn’t our problem, either or any way.”

Our loser-in-chief manages to pick the losing teams in sports and the wrong side in politics. If for him alone, I think we need to steer clear until we have adults at the helm.

After we get adults running the place again, we need to back Israel and let them protect the west’s interests.


3 posted on 04/23/2013 3:28:23 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

The warmongers at NPR are leading the charge, I see.


4 posted on 04/23/2013 3:30:58 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Muslims killing other Muslims. Somehow I am not concerned.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 3:34:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The line has been crossed, bambi. Now what?


6 posted on 04/23/2013 3:36:51 PM PDT by Straight8
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To: SeekAndFind

Chemical weapons are quite easy to fabricate, by any nation with a chemical industry. Typically the US had very highly concentrated, very dangerous, but binary weapons, that were far safer until just before, or even during use, such as chemicals that would mix while flying in an artillery round.

The Russians, and thus the Syrians their allies, preferred far simpler weapons, often crudely stored in 55 gallon drums.

But lower order chemical weapons can be just as effective against soldiers and civilians without protection. Several are actually World War I, a hundred years old, technology, not sophisticated at all.

This being said, all the rebels, or Israelis would have to do is produce some soil or other samples containing such contaminants. Often not hard to do if the chemical weapons are “skin contact” with a low vapor hazard.

During the Iran-Iraq war, the Iranians went with some UN inspectors to get such samples. They parked with a wheel of their jeep atop an unexploded chemical artillery round.

And while the UN people were wearing full body butyl rubber protective suits, the Iranians just put plastic bags over their boots, wore rubber gloves, wore a surgical mask and glasses, and used a wrench to open the artillery round. The liquid within they drained into a canteen cup, covered it with plastic wrap which was held on by a rubber band.

“Here’s your sample”.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 3:43:23 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Gen.Blather

We haven’t had adults running the foreign policy of the United States for the past twenty years and I’m not optimistic for an improvement no matter which party wins the next election.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 3:45:12 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: SeekAndFind

Bush’s fault!


9 posted on 04/23/2013 3:45:35 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even without chemical weapons, Assad and his bunch know full-well that there will be a genocide if he falls...and just not his inner circle, but just about everyone who’s not a Sunni - and that includes the Christians, and there are a lot of them. Additionally, it’s obvious to everyone that Chechens and mercenaries from that part of the world are leading the fight against him.

Given that situation, you use the tools available...or get tortured and die...and remember who started this thing.


10 posted on 04/23/2013 3:46:54 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: SeekAndFind

Check the labels.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 3:48:47 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
When the bam said he'd side with the muslims in audacity, he never specified which muslims.
12 posted on 04/23/2013 3:52:08 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: BobL; NVDave

RE: But it isn’t our problem, either or any way.

My main interest is the charge against Bush of invading Iraq under FALSE CHARGES.

They couldn’t find any WMD’s .. therefore Bush lied, People died.

Well, if Iraq DID transfer them to Syria, then Bush didn’t lie after all and the invasion was justified.


13 posted on 04/23/2013 3:53:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I was happier with Congolese Rice than Henry Kissinger. Hillary was an idiot and Kerry is even worse. I think, of the bunch, that Rice did the best job. But we need a Ronald Reagan at the top. I don’t even see his like on the radar.


14 posted on 04/23/2013 3:55:43 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SpaceBar

Are there any good Muslims to side with? Ultimately they ALL want to convert or kill you.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 3:56:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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Assad wouldn't do that, any more than Sadaam would.

16 posted on 04/23/2013 4:02:00 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m with you 100%, don’t get me wrong.

But Bush will NEVER be vindicated, no matter how right he was. His bigger mistake was the claim about WMDs - that was NOT necessary. His case was made once Hussain started interfering with our inspectors, and even shooting at our planes - he should have used that rationale, for the AGREED to it, to save Bagdad from our troops in 1991.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 4:08:36 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: SeekAndFind

When mohammedans are killing other mohammedans just stand back and let them have at it.


19 posted on 04/23/2013 4:21:20 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps Syrian made or perhaps from the Iraqi stockpile. But it’s a fact the Iraqi bio-chem arsenal was transferred, largely with the assistance of the Russians, during the 14 month lead up to the 2003 invasion. Could never grasp why this was never exposed by the Bush administration. It was well attested to by multiple sources while it was happening. Instead they allowed the idiotic “No WMD’s ... Bush Lied” story to prosper, one result of which was the catastrophe of Obama’s election.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 4:22:54 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would we get involved?

To pour billions in nation-building the neighboring state of our previous endeavor? The country couldn’t even stomach Iraq, why would Syria be better?

Then we can hand over the government to the Syrian rebels, who just announced a merger with the Islamic State of Iraq.

So tell me again why we would want to get involved.

Too bad both sides can’t lose.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 4:30:17 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Gen.Blather

Israel’s domestic politics indicate to me that they’re not even interested in protecting their OWN interests.

It’s time to write Israel off. They’ve lost their will to fight for themselves, and there’s no point in fighting battles for those who won’t do their own work.

That includes, BTW, most of the Islamic world too. They’re all too lazy to fight for liberty or freedom or whatever you want to call it.

We’ll be best served by developing our own domestic energy programs and washing our hands of the entire region ASAP.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 4:38:56 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh yea - attentive people have known for years about the convoy that left Iraq and went into Syria.

But that’s not going to change the narrative now. It’s too well established, too much “conventional wisdom” and the oncoming failure of Iraq will be so expensive that it’s not worth trying to debate the issue.

I’m saying “Let’s not bother going down that road again. There was nothing gained by stopping Saddam from doing whatever he was going to do... because now we’re going to see worse alternatives of Islamists get their way in elections, therefore making their loony-tunes governments legit.”

Syria is going to go into chaos and will become islamist in the worst possible way, no matter what we say or do, because we don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done: Kill islamists in large numbers. Not “nation build,” not “give them freedom” or any other such thing. What needs to be done in Syria is to kill the Baathists. Period, full stop, thanks for playing. Not negotiate, just kill them.

And then when the Shi’ites swarm into the vacuum from Iran, we’d need to kill them too.

We clearly aren’t about to do that, so why bother?


23 posted on 04/23/2013 4:43:49 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

“Israel’s domestic politics indicate to me that they’re not even interested in protecting their OWN interests.”

Israel started as a communist country. But the influx of Russians has begun to change them. They are probably more entrepreneurial per capita than the US. (They have far more PhD’s per 1000 than the US and many more small companies than we do.) True, they have their version of the Lunatic Left. But once they start dying in significant numbers, suddenly their “Occupy Jerusalem” crowd will either die or get with the program.


24 posted on 04/23/2013 4:43:57 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

1. True.

2. Not our problem.

3. We’re broke. So see #2 above.


25 posted on 04/23/2013 4:45:20 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave
Israel’s domestic politics indicate to me that they’re not even interested in protecting their OWN interests.

It’s time to write Israel off. They’ve lost their will to fight for themselves, and there’s no point in fighting battles for those who won’t do their own work.

Afraid I have to agree, The Muslim Brotherhood will certainly reward them for protecting the Syrian rebels, but they won't be thrilled with the reward.

26 posted on 04/23/2013 5:05:23 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SeekAndFind

obama was seen running to his quarters with hands over both jug-ears and screaming “lalalalalalalalalala”.

LLS


27 posted on 04/23/2013 5:10:42 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I hear ya, but Alawites aren’t considered muslims, and aren’t really. Their faith is syncretic, which makes them natural allies of the Christians in the country. Assad SR. and Jr. are despicable excuses for human beings, but we shouldn’t want the AQ-backed Nusra front to “win”.


28 posted on 04/23/2013 5:13:25 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, and bears have been cr*pping in the woods.

The million-dollar question is, Where did Syria get those chemical weapons?

And the answer is:

Wait for it...

Saddam!

Bing-bing-bing-bing!

You remember that guy - the one all the Liberal rags decided Bush didn’t have any right to pursue way back in the day, since he ‘didn’t really have WMDs.’

Well... yes, he did.


29 posted on 04/23/2013 6:04:23 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


30 posted on 04/23/2013 7:00:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Absolutely, I wont loose a moments sleep over it.


31 posted on 04/23/2013 10:53:37 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: SeekAndFind

>>>Could these be the very same Chemical Weapons ( AKA WMDs) the inspectors COULD NOT FIND in Iraq when Saddam was deposed?
Did he send the WMDs to Syria? ( After all, both are Baathist parties ).

The curious thing is Saddam used these Chemical weapons on the Kurds ( slaughtering over 5,000 of them ), but they suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth when the inspectors were looking for them.

Inquiring minds want to know...<<<

The reality is every idiot can make chemical weapon. It is so stupid to seek for Saddam’s roots there.


32 posted on 04/24/2013 2:02:42 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: SeekAndFind

Syria has a military which was designed along the same lines of the 70’s USSR military. As Syria is the last remaining military style regime from the Cold War, they are the last remaining Chemical Warfare dependent military, which was also a major part of the Soviet’s military inventory. As for the rebels or who ever else is fighting Assad, they have found the stores of Chemical Warfare materiel that was convoyed by the Russian’s out of Iraq for three weeks just prior to the US invasion. It is so sad that the Democrat party knowingly bashed Bush/Republicans for WMD in Iraq when they were privy to the negotiations that allowed the Russians to remove this very WMD into Syria....


33 posted on 04/24/2013 3:51:11 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: SeekAndFind; Fred Nerks; TigersEye

Could these be the very same Chemical Weapons ( AKA WMDs) the inspectors COULD NOT FIND in Iraq when Saddam was deposed? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You betcha. And Russian Army trucks were used to transport them. The French also had some of this done .Neither Russia nor France wanted the world to know they were trading WMD for oil with Saddam Hussein. So they trucked most of this WMD ordnance to Syria, where it was either destroyed or stored, depending on the shelf life of the various WMD.

Israel has known this for years.

Now Obama and his liberal fascists who concluded for theire own political reasons that tere were NO WMDs in Iraq, NOW have to face the fact that they are being used.BUahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Obama will likely NEVER acknowledge that WMD are being used in Syria, unless he needs an excuse for Israel to be invaded by his Muslim friends in Gaza, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria....because Israel would be allegedly using WMDs NOT Syria.


34 posted on 04/24/2013 6:49:39 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Jack Hammer

“The million-dollar question is, Where did Syria get those chemical weapons?”

They made them. If people would do even a tiny bit of homework on the Syrian chemical weapons programs they would understand that Syria has their own weapons and NEVER needed Saddam’s. We need to stop repeating idle assumptions that these are Saddam’s weapons and take 5 minutes to learn something. Crack a book. Use the internet...something!


35 posted on 04/24/2013 2:00:21 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Satayana and doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

Idle assumptions?

Pretty safe bet, as far as I’m concerned.

Why make anything when you can get it for free from the neighbors.


36 posted on 04/24/2013 2:05:06 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Why make anything when you can get it for free from the neighbors.”

Syria had chemical weapons LONG before Saddam moved his in. The point is that they didn’t/don’t need them.


37 posted on 04/24/2013 3:58:22 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Satayana and doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

If I had a million bucks and some guy offered me fifty thousand, I wouldn’t say no.


38 posted on 04/24/2013 6:45:46 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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