Posted on 04/23/2013 12:35:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
To answer her question; I am Christian first and I would expect every religious person would answer in a like manner. Regardless of their religion.
Most will claim their faith first.
The problem with islam is that it not compatible with itself , let alone western philosophy.
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Actually this question is foolishness.
If you have a belief in some kind of all-powerful gods who can reach anywhere, you must consider that religion above all else (hence part of why Moslems are dangerous).
These beliefs have no borders.
Shlafly is a Catholic.
She knows just what she means, I think. She is not comparing religions.
And she is talking about immigration - that Catholicism and Christianity, Judaism are compatible with being an American
yep
For a Moslem there is only one possible answer to that question, but then- are you an American or a Christian first? I know the implications are radically different but the answers should be equivalent.
Not so sure about this. Maybe it depends on the country.
Family is composed of individuals. I will not equate my commie-enviro-atheist cousin with my mother. In fact, many people have treacherous family, including the closest, either totally at odds politically or even cruel.
Since the US is supposed to be based on a brilliant constitution maximizing liberty, I think it’s worth defending over my commie pinko cousins, to maximize benefit for others. Just as the religion of Christ maximizes benefit for others, regardless of relation.
So, I’d put the broad term “family” lowest.
Here’s the problem.
The “allah” that the moslems worship is Satan.
How do I know?
Jesus said, speaking metaphorically of Satan, “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:”
Perfect description of Mohammed, who says “allah” told him to do all those things.
Jesus goes on to say, “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
YHWH/Jesus/HolySpirit is a very different God than “allah”.
You know I think most God fearing people would say that. Which is why those trying to wage war upon a religion are waging a fools quest. It may be true that the foundation of Islam is rotten and at war with everyone else but you cannot defeat a religion with the sword of the state.
They call it the “nation of Islam” for a reason. Their loyalties are not to any land, nation, people or law, but to their religion, to Islam, not to God, mind you, but to Islam.
“For starters, why would our government have admitted the Tsarnaev family whose son was named Tamerlan? That should have been a red alert because that is the name of one of the world’s notorious mass murderers, a 14th-century Central Asian warlord named Tamerlan, who killed about 17 million people.”
Immigration officials must have ignored the law that prohibits persons named Tamerlan from entering the United States.
Should we also prohibit people named “Adolph” from entering the country?
Christian, Dad, American, Texan...
Lately when I get real depressed about things: Christian, Dad, Texan, (reserved spot), American.
Likewise; I am Christian first.
I’m a Christian first and I do not see a conflict with my priorities because in being a good Christian I am also a good American.
There was a time when the two were synonymous.
Personally I have said that the minute a country constitutional-izes religion, it ceases to be a recognized religion. It becomes a political theocracy.
Under that viewpoint the extremists, terrorists, etc. are then agents of the country from where they originate.
so if your church preached that you should kill others you would follow that? I am just checking to see if you are logically consistent or merely blowing smoke.
If the government demanded that I must give up my faith in order to continue to participate in the US economic system, bank here and use credit cards and pay my bills, and even to hold a job, I would have to politely decline. If they continued to insist that I must, then I would have to leave.
Notice this is the exact demand that government makes to its citizens when it is influenced by the False Prophet in Revelation chapter 13.
A government that can demand that it is more important than God is a government that has escaped the bounds of its Constitution.
But the difference between Christianity and Islam is substantial. There is very little that conflicts with Christian belief and the enumerated powers of the text of the Constitution, abuses notwithstanding. The first right that the Bill of Rights protects is that it circumscribes religion from government scrutiny. Government is forbidden from having an opinion about how a person practices their religion in public or private life, or if they choose to have no religion at all.
However, Islam seeks to control government to such an extent that it can forbid other religions upon pain of death.
In practice, the problem for me is that the more I understand the deep meaning of the sacrifice of Christ, the more I want to live at peace with others. It appears that more the adherents of Islam understand their sacred texts, the more dangerously violent they are to people who reject Islam.
Indeed, this is the power of the writings of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood. They convinced a growing minority of Muslims that they must take their sacred texts literally or else they will go to hell. And those texts demand the utmost violence against those who reject Islam.
RE: If the government demanded that I must give up my faith in order to continue to participate in the US economic system... If they continued to insist that I must, then I would have to leave.
If they continued to insist, then this would NOT be the United States of America any longer where the First Amendment is and should be SUPREME.
In which case, I don’t see how you can owe allegiance to such a country. The USA would not be in existence if what you described happens.
Not a good question, as most Christians will identify as Christians first, Americans second.
But, of course, we believe in loving our fellow man. Most importantly, no Christian holds to the idea that if he cannot convert someone of another, or of no faith, he must kill or enslave them.
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