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Looks like Feinstein is joining the Uncle Joe Biden shotgun club. . .
1 posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:17 AM PDT by theruleshavechanged
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To: theruleshavechanged

Besides the fact that she is stupid and corrupt, for the vast majority this is not such a bad idea. Little training or practice required to produce some significant deterrent effect.

A shotgun is easy to use effectively and at the short ranges of an urban environment against criminals or a mob probably just as effective or more so than a 5.56. A pretty good weapon also for a militia tasked with keeping public order.

Being an out-of-practice, out of shape duffer, I personally would much rather have a 6-shot 12ga pump than an AR-15 if the times got more interesting.

In open country or in a city where the opposition is a military or paramilitary force it would be much less effective because of inability to penetrate body armor and poor range. Also not so good for sustained suppressive fire for tactical purposes. So a lower value (though not negligible) choice for an effective anti-government guerilla force, which is the implied purpose of the second amendment in the present context.

The best (for the typical person) guerilla weapon legally available to US civilians is certainly the 5.56 semiautomatic rifle.


62 posted on 04/22/2013 8:09:05 AM PDT by buwaya
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Some shotguns are a better choice than others.


63 posted on 04/22/2013 8:14:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: theruleshavechanged

I have a shotgun. But hard to keep a shotgun in your nightstand.


64 posted on 04/22/2013 8:15:56 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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For once, I agree with Feinstein. I told my wife that I need to get a new anti-terrorist shotgun. My short list:


68 posted on 04/22/2013 8:19:34 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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most women can’t handle a 12 gauge shotgun let alone fight with it my wife included. Give her a 9 mm Uzi though and she’s quite effective. as for me, I was an infantry rifleman. I’ll take an AR15 thank you.


69 posted on 04/22/2013 8:20:24 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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We will need a shotgun to defend ourselves from Slimestein.


70 posted on 04/22/2013 8:20:58 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I could also use a Feinswine blow-up doll to beat the perp over the head. That would also contain an element of surprise.


72 posted on 04/22/2013 8:22:42 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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citing the obvious re assault weapons ban and gun control in general: as though politicians really give a rat’s ass about the safety of US citizens. Gun control is nothing more than the politicians and the elites who control them wanting to deny the citizens the ability to reach out and touch one of their own. this unspoken fact (taboo) needs to become common knowledge to every US citizen. Gun control IS NOT ABOUT THE CHLDERN


77 posted on 04/22/2013 8:31:39 AM PDT by drypowder
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Yea, I’m not looking to defend if someone comes in my house.

I’m on the offensive and moving towards them as I unload magazines in their mortal bodies....


79 posted on 04/22/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Irrespective of what this corrupt crook says I happen to think that in urban areas a shotgun is very effective home defense weapon.


81 posted on 04/22/2013 8:35:07 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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I think I know why they want us to only use shotguns.

Shotguns are typically ineffective against body armor and you can be easily killed by an armored assailant (militarized jackboot) who knows you only have shotguns.

89 posted on 04/22/2013 9:02:58 AM PDT by varyouga
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She wants her closer foreign relatives to have an advantage against us, eh?


94 posted on 04/22/2013 9:14:09 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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Uh...yeah. I'm going to take tactical advice from an upper-class twit who happens to be a gun control fanatic. Right.

Now, I'm all in favor of the element of surprise in this sort of engagement but if you're being attacked by terrorists you probably don't have a lot of options regarding stalking the buggers. Chances are you're standing and fighting because you can't run. "Cowboys and terrorists" makes for great fantasy fare but I don't see a lot of real-world tactical scenarios working out that way. I wish it were otherwise - the good guys would win more if it were.

That said, a shotgun makes a jolly close-range defensive weapon, especially if you'll lose the bird-shot silliness and recognize that if you have to shoot at someone you're not really going to be overly worried about overpenetration - the first object is to put them down, hard, so that they don't get up. It's a weapon, for Pete's sake, not a warning. And most (but not all) self-defense scenarios are within its effective range.

That said, they're a pain to tote and slower than a pistol to present. And practice sufficient to make me even marginally tactically proficient tends to make me sore as hell. And no, you can't assume that shot spread makes up for poor marksmanship, because it doesn't. But I'd sure rather have one than want one.

96 posted on 04/22/2013 9:33:04 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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I like shotguns.
An article written by a coroner a few months back noted that even kevlar body armor won’t help survivability against a shotgun blast. There will be sufficient internal organ damage from blunt force impact that unless the wounded gets medical attention with 20 or 30 minutes, he will expire from the impact injuries.


97 posted on 04/22/2013 9:35:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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DiFi, can I have that in semiauto with rifled barrel and a scope? Didn’t think so, mind your own business.


98 posted on 04/22/2013 9:42:50 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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Feinstein: Buy a shotgun to defend yourself from terrorists

OK


99 posted on 04/22/2013 1:17:25 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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she needs a keeper certifiably incompetent
ever hear a pump shotgun rack a round? no surprise there


100 posted on 04/22/2013 1:22:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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Actually, she has it nearly half right. You buy a shotgun to defend your home from terrorists, AND you buy an AR-15 to defend yourself from Feinstein.
101 posted on 04/23/2013 4:27:45 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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