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Conservatives Push Marijuana Reform in Congress
Rolling Stone ^ | 4-16-2013 | Tim Dickinson

Posted on 04/18/2013 2:53:36 PM PDT by Renfield

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To: svcw

I have never heard a single libertarian say child rape is ok.

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They will tell you it should be up to the State to decide.

Now. Doesn’t that solve everything?


21 posted on 04/18/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Again, I have never heard a libertarian say child rape is ok, at any level.


22 posted on 04/18/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Renfield
I am against legalizing marijuana. Yes, open that problem up..I don't want to be on a highway as someone legally drives stoned. Idiotic people pushing this and foolish supporters to think it has no impact and is different from alcohol. Of course, the users would love this to be legal. I can see changing some of the jail time to only being a fine in some cases.
23 posted on 04/18/2013 3:37:21 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Christie at the beach

It isn’t legal to drive under the influence of any narcotic or other substance that would impair one’s ability to drive - including mj, booze, NyQuil, whatever. Legalizing a substance doesn’t legalize operating heavy machinery while using that substance.


24 posted on 04/18/2013 3:49:30 PM PDT by socalgop
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To: svcw; GeronL

Again, I have never heard a libertarian say child rape is ok, at any level.

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You’re missing the point. While a libertarian might personally be against child rape, they are OK with it if indeed that citizens of that state vote fot it.

On the basis a lib can support laws encouraging or allowing child rape makes them just as guilty as the low-life scums that actually do it.

Tolerance is acceptance.


25 posted on 04/18/2013 3:49:38 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: svcw

Many (not all) in the libertarian wing of both parties have given same sex marriage the support to what we see now. They remind me of being like liberals because they ignore morality. They say they believe in the founding principles of our nation then say we should be allowed to do anything we decide to. Every person needs direction of a right and a wrong/rule of law that goes back to the beginning of this country. I will never be one nor an independent. Notice, most (if not all), of the independents voted against the filibuster. What was that all about.


26 posted on 04/18/2013 3:50:01 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: socalgop

Sure...tell that to a person who has the protection of a

law that a certain drug is legal. Yes, people are under the

influence now, though this is not the way the go. Smoke your crap, keep me out of it, like the gay crap.


27 posted on 04/18/2013 3:55:33 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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Oh that is funny! I went to a Willie concert once and had to leave. The stench of pot was just too much to take. Shame because I like his music.

I like this! It will make Democrat Lawmakers heads explode! This is right out of Alansky's book. Obama and the Just-Us Department don't want to give up that power but this goes right to their core constituency. This is another one that they can't win.

The war on drugs has morphed into a war on Americans and has given us dynamic entry tactics, forfeiture laws and many other evils. It's time to tone it down.

28 posted on 04/18/2013 3:57:03 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Renfield

Legalizing marijuana at the federal level is a constitutional issue not a liberal one.


29 posted on 04/18/2013 4:11:06 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Renfield

Dope for political dopes.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 4:31:59 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Renfield

Looking at this rationally, applying a “schedule” class to drugs does need to be a state prerogative, but interstate commerce in “drugs generally accepted as schedule class” needs to be federally controlled.

As far as marijuana use goes, if prescribed by a physician, fine. Children should be realistically warned that pot makes them dull and uninteresting and wastes their time they need to live the lives they want to live. Entirely true.

The states and federal government need to act, and soon, because there is an estimated 12 million recreational opiate and synthetic opiate users in the country. They are now faced with the option that the cheap substitute of their drug of choice is heroin. It is an epidemic on the way, and it must be dealt with now, not later.

The states also need to get a handle on alcohol, hopefully by having strict laws against alcohol for minors under 21. If children can hold off on that, the odds of their becoming or remaining an alcoholic plummet.

Tobacco regulation needs to be left entirely to the states.

The vast majority of pharmaceuticals should no longer be by prescription only. They may be limited by the state or to delegated pharmacists, who may reject foolish requests for them. Caveat emptor.


31 posted on 04/18/2013 5:05:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: shelterguy
If you vote to legalize pot then you need to legalize all drugs.

By the same token, if you want to make pot illegal, then you had damned well better be advocating to make alchohol illegal, as well, or you are either a rank hypocrite or an extremely naive one. Indeed, alcohol is by FAR more responsible for triggering rage and violence in its users, than is pot.

I'm for States Rights on the issue, and even more, I'm for CONSERVATIVES to recognize that pot or alcohol is no more responsible for the damage they wreak, than a gun is for a shooting.

Want to outlaw pot because of what it "does" to people? Then to be honest and consistent, you should want to outlaw alcohol and guns on the same premise.

32 posted on 04/18/2013 6:03:25 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I should never get involved in any drug discussion because I never saw the sense in using any mind altering substance so I cannot logically debate anyone on the matter.. I am aware that I am an anomaly and just about everyone disagrees with me on that trait. So I say live and let live and I will keep my quirks to myself.

Party on, Garth.


33 posted on 04/19/2013 7:10:55 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Responsibility2nd; svcw
I have never heard a single libertarian say child rape is ok.

They will tell you it should be up to the State to decide.

Now. Doesn’t that solve everything?

That's how it is right now - there are no federal laws against child rape (or for that matter, adult rape). Do you know of any states where repeal of anti-child-rape laws is making headway?

34 posted on 04/19/2013 7:14:08 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: GeronL
Some libertards want to abolish the age of consent.

The Libertarian Party does - they are sick. But they don't speak for all libertarians any more than the Republican Party speaks for all who favor a republican form of government.

35 posted on 04/19/2013 7:16:21 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Christie at the beach; socalgop
It isn’t legal to drive under the influence of any narcotic or other substance that would impair one’s ability to drive - including mj, booze, NyQuil, whatever. Legalizing a substance doesn’t legalize operating heavy machinery while using that substance.

Sure...tell that to a person who has the protection of a law that a certain drug is legal.

As socalgop explained to you, legality of a substance, e.g. alcohol, gives no "protection" for DUI.

36 posted on 04/19/2013 7:30:24 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Responsibility2nd; svcw; GeronL
While a libertarian might personally be against child rape, they are OK with it if indeed that citizens of that state vote fot it.

Federalizing morality hasn't helped - it's the feds who made abortion legal in all 50 states. And in the wildly unlikely event that any state ever legalized child rape, I'd bet my bottom dollar that a federal Constitutional amendment against it would be passed so fast our heads would swim. Your Chicken Little fantasies are nothing more than a diversion from real issues.

37 posted on 04/19/2013 7:35:20 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Renfield

About damn time


38 posted on 04/19/2013 7:37:19 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Christie at the beach; svcw
Every person needs direction of a right and a wrong/rule of law

Speak for yourself - I don't need the rule of law to prevent me from having gay sex ... or, to get back to the actual topic, from smoking marijuana.

39 posted on 04/19/2013 7:37:49 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: darkangel82
Dope for political dopes.

States' rights and the Tenth Amendment are for dopes?

40 posted on 04/19/2013 7:39:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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