[Nachum]

General Greivous to Obi Wan Kenobi: "You must realize, you are doomed"

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[jeffc]

I'm confused. The VP of the Second Amendment Foundation helped write the bill and is proudly proclaiming that it is filled with things to check before someone can exercise their 2A rights? That it's perfect for gun control advocates?

[GenXteacher]

So, after all the lawyerspeak, he’s claiming that this bill is basically pro-gun? I’ll think I’ll stick to my guns and skepticism.

[factoryrat]

If the 2nd amendment falls prey to the socialists, the rest of the Constitution is doomed, and you are at the mercy of the socialist regime. Never give up the ability to defend yourself against tyranny, because the alternatives are far worse. Any law in direct conflict with the US Constitution is worth approximately jack shit. It's you vs. them, who's side do you want to win?

[Twotone]

Folks need to listen to the entire video. While none of us is happy about any gun bill going thru, it does sound like they’ve put lots of good things, good protections, in this that will benefit gun owners. I just hope it doesn’t get gutted & stuffed with bad stuff when it hits the Senate floor. Always a possibility...

[Principled]

This all seems very mysterious and unclear.

I can’t tell what the heck is going on.

Is the SAF guy betraying the 2nd amendment?
Is the SAF guy helping protect the 2nd amendment?

just damn

[stockpirate]

What we need to understand is that the left has infiltrated almost every group and is sowing the final seeds of our demise, must say however I won’t do well in a re-education camp, I think it is the I don’t like idiots thing.

[freekitty]

No thanks. The 2nd Amendment is good enough for me. Is this guy an infiltrator and how old is his staff?

[Gator113]

Off with his head.....

[TigersEye]

This bill is worse than a ban on some specific models or types of guns. It trashes the 4th Amend., the 5th Amend. and the 10th Amend. as well as the 2nd Amend.

The Toomey-Manchin Kill The Bill of Rights Bill.

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

By "all their available records" just what records are they blackmailing states for with that statist bilge water? "All" is a pretty big word when only a very few records are applicable to denying someone their right to keep and bear arms.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

Does that means dealers can run NICS checks on prospective employees without their knowledge or consent? I have no idea what the word 'voluntarily' means there. Does it mean dealers will be allowed to not run NICS checks if they prefer not to?

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

Submissions of mental health records? Since when has it been legal to deny any American their rights without due process? Isn't it required that a person be adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law to do that? Mental health records are entirely irrelevant except to those court proceedings. This bill sounds like Stalinist purge material.

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

Is that an admission that the Bill of Rights doesn't cover veterans or an admission that it doesn't cover anyone anymore?

Was all of this gun control demagoguery really just a Trojan Horse to sneak this Bill of Rights killer into law?

[Count of Monte Fisto]

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero

[smokingfrog]

I’m starting to think that the only reason behind this Toomey Manchin thing was to keep Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, etc. from having another filibuster. They want to pass these new gun bans behind closed doors with no debate.