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Docs Told They Must Drive Health System Change (focus on "cost value" first, not the patient)
Medpage Today ^ | April 11, 2013 | David Pittman

Posted on 04/13/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by Innovative

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To: Innovative

Two words: Death Panels.

41 posted on 04/13/2013 3:11:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: stanne
“That’s just the beginning. No one’s checking and reporting on the decline in med students. who would go into medicine?”

Just as well, they are mostly Liberal $hitbirds like Bambi, coming out of Liberal $hitbird schools. See what they did to Dr. Ben Carson for evidence over at John Hopkins.

42 posted on 04/13/2013 3:49:01 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Sioux-san
All of us, regardless of age, should be able to buy our own insurance that meets our needs.

True but what frustrates me is that actually many of us did not have to pay the full cost since employers provided it as a benefit of employment. That is now going away since the feds have screwed things up.

It is ludicrous for the feds to be lecturing anyone about keeping costs down when the cost of government is skyrocketing and the cost of health care and health care insurance is skyrocketing due to government interference.

43 posted on 04/13/2013 4:52:49 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Innovative

Here comes “free healthcare” where the patient comes last. You’re gonna love it! Thanks Barry!!!

44 posted on 04/13/2013 5:04:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: Innovative

Ultimately they need to let the patient decide what is value of cost is. The only thing doctors need to do is educate the patent on the value of each product & service vs alternatives.

Doctors may not want to be in this position. If they don’t they could alternatively sell the whole package. Charge the patent a standard rates(Like their own insurance plan) and decide themselves what they need to figure out what’s going on. (This may be the way to go.)
Another way is to just sell their individual service and let the patent contract with whatever else they need. In other-words the doctor acts as a consultant.

Beyond solving compact medical problems among specialist I don’t see the need for doctors to collectivize, that just reduces the possibility of competition further.

45 posted on 04/13/2013 5:13:52 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: freeangel

Yea that seemed a bit nutty to me as well. along with the Standardized practices one.

If your going to see a doctor then he should proceed based upon symptoms. In any-event the cost of his individual services are not the driving factor in the cost of healthcare. The driving force in the cost of healthcare is everything else namely insurance Government & otherwise which removes price selection from the system.

Without price selection all aspects of the service can cost almost as much as they want and so their costs have no where to go but up as fast as they can.

46 posted on 04/13/2013 5:22:16 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: upchuck

You make an interesting point, though. It sounds like the lib’s may already be trying to shift the load, that is, the blame to the doctors for this albatross (aka obamacare).

47 posted on 04/13/2013 6:09:39 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Jim Robinson
"The totalitarian government will decide who is worthy of first class government "provided" healthcare and who gets the pill, ie, death panels. This was the real intent of CommieCare to begin with."

You summed it up perfectly! That is indeed the bottom line.

48 posted on 04/13/2013 6:35:46 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Diogenesis

Oy! I’m afraid to look.

49 posted on 04/13/2013 6:56:21 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Innovative; Fred Nerks; TigersEye

Docs Told They Must Drive Health System Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah Right.

Since when do doctors want to give away all their professional freedom and billing power to a liberal fascist system of faulty health care and death panels?

Look what happened in Canada. Now doctors there are nothing but vicarious civil servants paid by the government, with salary caps and dictatorial guidelines on service, designed to minimize cost, and Canadian health care comprises 55% of the federal governments budget in Canada. This linmits even the size of the Canadian Armed forces to a paltry 100, 000 individuals, so that the nation cannot even preserve its sovereignty from the Russians in the North.

I am sure US doctors what the same/S

50 posted on 04/13/2013 7:15:04 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(
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To: Innovative

New Dem message: ‘Improve’ health care, don’t talk cost

Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:56:51 PM by Sub-Driver

don’t talk care OR cost...

51 posted on 04/13/2013 8:27:53 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Candor7
It's a demotion. From doctor to medical technician.

Wouldn't you like to go through 12 years of grueling
education and go $500,000 into debt for that?

52 posted on 04/13/2013 10:07:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Innovative

If someone else is paying your medical bills, then they are going to be more concerned with the cost than with the results.

53 posted on 04/14/2013 5:51:05 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Innovative
Isn't this Emanuel doctor a relation of the Emanuel who works in Obama's administration?

This Emanuel doctor also believes that only the producers deserve the best health care which to him is between the ages of 18 and 40 something.

54 posted on 04/14/2013 5:57:14 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: rktman
“While talking to my dermo a couple of weeks ago, I was told that since they are being forced to upgrade/digitize just about everything there would be less hours available for actually seeing and treating patients.”

Yes. It is mandated by the government. There are significant penalties for not ‘upgrading’ to a fully electronic medical record. A big hunk of the time in the office now is spent at a computer, clicking off mandatory ‘boxes’ (e.g. “I reviewed the social history”), and not actually face to face interaction with the patient. It's a nightmare.

55 posted on 04/14/2013 6:46:13 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

This will probably lead to fewer folks seeking medical attention. This whole ball of wax is getting bigger and bigger like the proverbial snowball rolling down hill. My dermo was NOT happy with it at all. But, mandated it is so compliance will follow. Even if the bill had been presented during the 48 hours prior to the vote, nobody’s staff would have been large enough to have sifted through the entire thing. Even if they had they couldn’t have made heads or tails of it. We still don’t know all the implications and the unintended(?) consequences.

56 posted on 04/14/2013 7:14:48 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Innovative

It seems that they are implementing more of the evil that the progressives like to tell us are the flaws of the capitalist system. This is a good example of the capitalist system being cheaper and providing people with far more than the collective system.

Paging Ayn Rand...

57 posted on 04/14/2013 7:19:17 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I am currently training in a small Medicaid type clinic.

What I see is a lot of poor people who come into the doctor for every tiny reason they can think of — why? Because they’re BORED. And the reasons they come in would just leave you scratching your head.

Oh, and they get prescriptions ...but a lot of times they will just refuse to take them either outright or as prescribed, and come back in the next week complaining of the same problem. It’s like dealing with a never ending army of morons. But they don’t care ...THEY’RE NOT PAYING FOR IT! Oh, and they definitely do NOT take care of their health in any way — they smoke, overeat, don’t exercise ...all of the usual.

This is how OC is going to be ....they are going to come in, sit in a never ending line in waiting rooms, making everyone sick around them, and they will just come back the next week, and the next week ... over and over. And everyone will be stuck paying for this nonsense.

58 posted on 04/14/2013 8:11:32 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Innovative

It’s all about “the collective”....hello commiecare.

59 posted on 04/14/2013 8:51:51 AM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: freeangel

Sure, they’ve heard of the KISS system....but, that would mean they may lose their increases in budgets (and jobs, too) ... self preservation...

60 posted on 04/14/2013 10:58:32 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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