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1 posted on 04/12/2013 9:20:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Bondholders should be able to sue to city commissioners who are, after all, responsible for the fiscal state of the city and the default on the bonds.


2 posted on 04/12/2013 9:22:27 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Uncle Chip
"Both San Bernardino and Stockton are considered test cases in the titanic battle over whether municipal bondholders or current and retired employees will absorb most of the pain when a state or local government goes broke."

If bond holders take the hit then you can bet these cities and other financially shakey California cities will find it impossible to raise money via bonds in the future. Thus, taxpayers will get hammered even harder. It would be a good time for anyone living in such a city to sell their real estate and get the heck out of Dodge because property taxes are going to skyrocket.

4 posted on 04/12/2013 9:26:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Uncle Chip

Municipalities; GM; other companies with unions. We see this more and more. Politically connected groups get paid first despite what the law says about bondholders and secured creditors. The rule of law and the enforceability of contracts is being further undermined, and we are turning into a thugocracy like Russia as a result. Any fool who buys municipal bonds after this deserves what he gets.


6 posted on 04/12/2013 9:30:56 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Uncle Chip

The Municipal Bond market is going to crash and burn if they do this.

People put their money into these bonds because they are considered a safe investment. The return on the investment after inflation is generally 0%. But if this goes through, then these municipalities will never again be able to fund their profligate spending through the sale of bonds.

Maybe this will be a good thing.


10 posted on 04/12/2013 9:52:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Uncle Chip

They must have run out of other peoples’ money..........


11 posted on 04/12/2013 10:04:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Uncle Chip; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :Nearly a year after it halted contributions to America's biggest pension fund, San Bernardino will resume payments to Calpers at the start of the new fiscal year - but continue to not pay other creditors, according to the budget.
San Bernardino will not make interest and principal payments on $50 million in pension bonds issued in 2005, according to the new budget. The city council on Monday will review the budget, a blueprint for how the city proposes to manage its finances since declaring bankruptcy last August. “

Holy crap, imagine investing in City bonds for a City that screwed its LAST bondholders to payoff $$$ city union retirees?

'Sorry we cant pay the (home) mortgage again this month because Christmas is coming and we promised the kids some really good presents this year'

13 posted on 04/12/2013 10:35:39 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The Stockton and other looming municipal bankruptcies will likely collapse the municipal bond market and, equally likely, provide rich opportunities for skullduggery. Wealthy supporters of our corrupt administration cook up a deal with the Chicago thug. The said wealthy donors snatch up Stockton bonds at ten cents on the dollar on the q.t. After a suitable interval, Obama engineers a deal to have the Fed save the bondholders, paying them, say, 75% of par. Stockton is saved! Soros and Buffet pocket hundreds of millions in windfall profits! This is, in fact, a time-honored mode of getting fabulously wealthy off the misfortune of others in our great nation.


14 posted on 04/12/2013 10:44:56 AM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: Uncle Chip; sickoflibs; All

Pay the unions, burn the bondholders.

Sounds like GM......the new standard of excellence : )


16 posted on 04/12/2013 11:28:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Uncle Chip

The “tax exempt” status should be removed from ALL governmet debt; it is just one more encouragement that polticians have in creating excess debt in the first place - because they can attract investors with the tax exempt earnings; something denied to private borrowers and something that ought to be denied the politicians. The argument that we would be paying “more” interest makes the erroneous assumption that we need and would be making us much borrowing even though the interest rate we had to pay was higher.


28 posted on 04/12/2013 3:29:05 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Uncle Chip

Calpers is a giant government monopoly in California. No matter what any municipality in California did wrong, I have no sympathy for Calpers. Like Freddie and Fannie it should be “sold off in pieces” to a bunch of newly privatized non-profit, non-polictical pension investment outfits that afterward any enterprise, governmental or non-governmental was free to participate in, or not, as they chose. I say “non-profit” because like the old “mutal” insurance company model the “owners” are the policy holders and all “gross profits” (capital gains and investment earnings) minus all needed operations costs and reserves that should not be distributed accrue to the pension accounts of the pension policy holders - they are the investor owners. And, as with any “mutual” insurance company it does not mean it is not competitive or not out there competing for business.


29 posted on 04/12/2013 4:01:37 PM PDT by Wuli
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