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If the Dems really want to pass a bill it might.

Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

37 posted on 04/09/2013 5:46:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

IMHO they are NOT being destroyed in 3 days. I read an article over the weekend that ATF is keeping gun sale records in separate regional data bases and therefore outside of the law. I cannot find that article tonight but did find these two articles. The Admin does whatever it wants the laws be damned. This attitude is in the RAT DNA.

BATF Backdoor Firearms Registration Scheme

“ATF has never maintained a database of lawful firearms owners“? Oh, yeah? What about this:

The ATF Firearm Tracing System (eTrace) provides manual & automated data retrieval of lawful firearms owners and transactions from the following sources:

1. All previous firearms traces from all sources,

2. Dealer, Importer, and Manufacturer computer, paper or microfilm “Bound Book” Out-of-Business records (including digital files required by ATF Ruling 2008-2),

3. Dealer “Bound Book” records (computer and/or paper) copied or photographed by ATF during annual inspections.

4 ATF Form 4473 from dealers copied or photographed during annual inspections and in Out-of-Business records.

5. Multiple Firearm Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4)

6. Traditional trace phone calls to the manufacturer, distributor and final selling dealer,

7. Additional data sources, such as some state firearms sales records as required by state law or policy.

8. Dealer “Bound Books” over 20 years old voluntarily sent in to ATF, including some antique firearms allowed to be entered in “Bound Books”.

9. Stolen firearms reported to ATF (Not NCIC).

10. System 2000 automated retrieval system from manufacturers, importers and distributors (100 companies as of 2010)

11. Certain firearms dealers required by ATF to report certain used firearms transaction to ATF for entry into the Firearms Tracing System.

12. For every firearm reported stolen to the NCIC stolen firearms database, New Jersey now automatically submits a trace to ATF (NJ Trace System). ATF is reported as working on a similar program.

13. Some state firearm registration systems are being loaded into the ATF tracing system.

14. In a press release, New Jersey admits tracing (from police records) all of private gun purchases into the ATF Firearms Tracing System through eTrace. By state law, New York and Connecticut also require tracing of all such private purchase firearms.

15. ATF hired private consultants to catalog information on firearms and submit trace requests from police departments to ATF.

16. ATF has imposed a requirement (pilot project) to report all dealer multiple sales (2 or more) of all semi-auto rifles with a detachable magazine greater than .22 caliber. (Currently restricted to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas – border states with Mexico). This requirement includes 100 year old Model 1907 Winchester rifles, WWII M1 Carbines, German G43 rifles, FN 49 rifles, and many other historic firearms of primary interest to collectors which are not known to be used by Mexican drug catels. Over 7,000 lawful firearm sales reported to date.

This is not an inclusive list, as other sources exist.

55 posted on 04/09/2013 8:04:50 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Windflier
Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

A mandate that something be done, with no prescribed penalties to not doing it, is just window dressing. See my post #67

68 posted on 04/10/2013 4:09:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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