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Do Background Checks for Gun Purchases Actually Work?
Pajamas Media ^ | Clayton Cramer

Posted on 03/29/2013 8:17:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I have been curious regarding how little effort the gun-control crowd has been exerting to prove that mandatory background checks work. There are, after all, six states that require all-private party sales to go through a background check, and ten states that require it for all handgun purchases. If driven to advocate for mandatory checks, you would think the case studies of these sixteen states must have provided plenty of evidence that such laws reduce murder rates, and thus affected your decision. Right?

I found this testimony to the U.S. Senate by Dr. Daniel Webster, a public health professor, from a few weeks back – he claims that Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase law (which required police approval of all firearms purchases) increased murder rates. His testimony claims that the increase was directly tied to the repeal of the law:

In 2008, the first full year after the permit-to-purchase licensing law was repealed, the age-adjusted firearm homicide rate in Missouri increased sharply to 6.23 per 100,000 population, a 34 percent increase.

That is a pretty startling increase, but several aspects of the claim made me start sniffing the air for fertilizer.

First of all, notice that this claim includes only firearms homicides. People stabbed to death don’t matter? It turns out that while Missouri’s murder rates (from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports) did indeed rise from 2007 to 2008, it was a 24% increase, which while still disturbing, is not as disturbing as 34%.

Secondly, when public-health specialists talk about “firearms homicides,” they do not necessarily mean criminal acts. The Centers for Disease Control database, which both Dr. Webster and I are using, has two different categories for intentional killing of another person with a firearm: “homicides,” and “legal interventions.” It is very clear that at least some of the deaths in the “firearms homicides” category are not crimes, but lawful uses of deadly force. The number of “legal intervention” firearms homicides deaths is so low — 45 from 1999 through 2010 for Missouri[1] — that it almost certainly represents only police officer killings, and does not properly include other legal interventions.

A longstanding problem with murder statistics is that some defensive killings are initially charged as murder or non-negligent manslaughter, and are reported to the FBI and CDC as such. A startling number of defensive gun uses are only reclassified days, weeks, or even months later, as the criminal justice system slowly works its way to an answer. At least with the FBI’s data, if that reclassification does not happen before the calendar month is over, it stays on the books as a murder or manslaughter.

I suspect that the same is true for CDC’s data. While there is an element of misfortune when a rapist or armed robber gets shot to death, this is hardly the tragedy that Dr. Webster’s testimony brings to mind when you read “firearms homicide.”

Thirdly, how “sharply” did the repeal of the “permit-to-purchase” law in August of 2007 increase firearms homicides? In other words, was it immediate and thus more likely tied to the repeal?

Here’s a graph of firearms homicides from CDC’s data for 2007 and 2008, by month[2]:

It took eight months before the “sharp” increase took place.

So perhaps the repeal of the law in August 2007 is not related to the increase.

St. Louis Public Radio ran a series of programs in late 2008 specifically about the increase in gang violence — including murders — that had lately plagued the city.

Perhaps this is the real cause. Of course, it is possible that the gangs had been unable to obtain guns before the repeal of the permit-to-purchase law, but forgive my skepticism in not buying that the gangs waited eight months to take advantage of the new law.

Fourthly, when I look at the rate for all murders and non-negligent manslaughters (the data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports program), I find that the increase in murder rates (not just with those icky guns, but with knives, fists, and other weapons) is not quite as impressive as the 34% figure Dr. Webster used.

In the four years after the law was in effect (2008-2011), Missouri had a murder rate 10% higher than the period 1999-2007. And again: the FBI’s murder rates include at least some killings later determined to be lawful use of force. It is possible that some of the apparent increase in murders was because easier access to firearms meant more dead rapists, robbers, and murderers; at this point, we really do not have enough data to know for sure:

The most serious problem with the testimony: the increase in murder rates is not statistically significant at the 95% confidence level commonly used in the social sciences.[3]

Thus, it could be entirely coincidence that murder rates rose starting in 2008.

It is possible that the repeal of the permit-to-purchase law increased murder rates, but with the data now available, it is more likely a coincidence.



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KEYWORDS: backgroundchecks; banglist; confiscation; guncontrol; registration; secondamendment
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1 posted on 03/29/2013 8:17:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Lou Dobbs did a piece on this last night on FOX Business
I think he said in 2010 (obama) there were reported about 15,000 attempted gun purchasers without proper permit or by fraud

44 have been prosecuted

13 received punishment

yeah obama says we need MORE laws
(and Dobbs was hopping crazy angry and called obama a liar)


2 posted on 03/29/2013 8:21:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

sure they would work ,as soon as you see they are part of the Democratic party ,you stop the purchase right there


3 posted on 03/29/2013 8:23:01 AM PDT by molson209
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To: silverleaf

Why is the SERIAL NUMBER and MODEL NUMBER needed for a background check?

It seems to us that you should ONLY check the person and be done with it.
Nothing is gained with serial and model numbers, UNLESS someone is trying to build up a database for later confiscation.(which our government denies they want to do)


4 posted on 03/29/2013 8:24:13 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats don’t believe in background checks for POTUS, why gun purchases?


5 posted on 03/29/2013 8:24:29 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Unfortunately, only six states (CA, CO, IL, NY, OR, RI) require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows. Three more states (CT, MD, PA) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Seven other states (HI, IA, MA, MI, NJ, NC, NE) require purchasers to obtain a permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. Florida allows its counties to regulate gun shows by requiring background checks on all firearms purchases at these events. 33 states have taken no action whatsoever to close the Gun Show Loophole.

For others who are curious, and to reduce hits on a gun grabber's web site... I took it for the team.

6 posted on 03/29/2013 8:25:03 AM PDT by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Baynative

post of the day


7 posted on 03/29/2013 8:26:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I go up to C Street, find Javier, show him a $50 bill and say ‘Yo Quiro Fuego’ do you really think he’s going to say, ‘Oh, no no, not without a background check.’


8 posted on 03/29/2013 8:27:37 AM PDT by real saxophonist ("Always Progressing and Not Fitting Neatly in a Box" - Tosin Abasi)
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To: SeekAndFind

Supposedly, if you are denied a sale as a result of something that was found in a background check, you can petition the Feds to find out why. I find this a bit disingeneous, because I suspect if something does come up, even if it’s mistaken, or even worse the result of identity theft, a person may not have time to petition the Feds because the Feds will have already arrested said person and then that person has much bigger problems to deal with. I once spoke to a rep. with the ATF who was manning their booth at an NRA show several years ago and flat told the guy to his face I didn’t trust the accuracy of their system and the kind of fallout that could occur even as a mistake.


9 posted on 03/29/2013 8:28:25 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: SeekAndFind

Who actually conducts the background check?

The vendor or the authorities?


10 posted on 03/29/2013 8:33:39 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

The gun grabbers want a background check on all gun purchases because the check can effectively deny the purchaser. Next step, change the rules so just about anyone can be denied, especially when there is a “crisis”.


11 posted on 03/29/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: SeekAndFind

No they don’t work as proved by the killing spree of that Los Angelas Police Officer.

here’s a guy that allegedly had to pass an extensive background exam and what did it prevent?Nothing.

just proves the point that you never know when somebody is going to commit murder.


12 posted on 03/29/2013 8:44:06 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: real saxophonist
If I go up to C Street, find Javier, show him a $50 bill and say ‘Yo Quiro Fuego’ do you really think he’s going to say, ‘Oh, no no, not without a background check.’

If a middle-class yuppie goes to Javier, he's going to snitch you out in exchange for brownie points from his parole officer. A criminal will only deal straightly with people he knows will come back and kill him if he doesn't.

13 posted on 03/29/2013 8:56:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Good point. I hope Javier knows better than to mess with me.


14 posted on 03/29/2013 9:06:20 AM PDT by real saxophonist ("Always Progressing and Not Fitting Neatly in a Box" - Tosin Abasi)
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To: PapaBear3625

ONLY gun homicides count. All others are non-starters. They are totally irrelevant in the scheme of things. Hard to defend your homeland with hammers. That is why the radical left wing extremist demokkkrat scumbags want your guns. Not that they REALLY want them. Nobody is talking confiscation. Correct. They AREN’T talking about it. Except behind closed doors where we, the peons and troublemakers, won’t hear them. Hopefully Paul, Cruz, Lee and Rubio have the cojones to actually filibuster this garbage. Now if we could just get Heller on board. Afraid he’s getting a little willowy.


15 posted on 03/29/2013 9:10:26 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: SeekAndFind

No, they don’t work. What does work? Punishing criminals- using real punishment. Harsh, punitive jail sentences, chain gangs, and public executions work. Gun control is just a means for the political class to usurp the power of the citizens, using a failed criminal justice system as an excuse.


16 posted on 03/29/2013 9:14:30 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: grobdriver

Thank you for collecting that information.


17 posted on 03/29/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: puppypusher
you never know when somebody is going to commit murder.

and when you do have likely indicators, people like Sherriff Dumprik in AZ don't do anything about it and blame the 2A instead.

18 posted on 03/29/2013 9:33:56 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SeekAndFind
great article, thanks for posting.

Everyone needs to understand that first there is no “gun show loophole.” That is focus group tested political sound byte hype.

Few criminals get their firearms from gun shows. The Department of Justice did a survey and found that less than 1% of criminals got their firearms from gun shows. (See table 8 & 9 in the following study http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf )

To further understand why ALL background checks, universal or not are really just so much smoke and mirrors one needs to understand the 5th Amendment within the Bill of Rights as it has been interpreted by the US Supreme Court.

In Haynes v. United States, ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States ) “....Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself. In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes...”

WHAT, YOU MEAN THAT FIREARM REGISTRATIONS LAWS DON'T APPLY TO FELONS! Yes, they only apply to law abiding people.

Congress did come up with a solution to this tiny little problem. It was resolved in another US Supreme Court case United States v. Freed (http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/601/case.html#605 )

The fix is that it is the person who is selling is the one that is facing legal sanctions and not the person buying. Criminals can still lie and not be held accountable because fo their 5th Amendment rights.

“...The transferor must identify himself, describe the firearm, and give the name and address of the transferee, whose application must be supported by fingerprints and a photograph and a law enforcement official’s certificate identifying them as those of the transferee and stating that the weapon is intended for lawful uses. Only after the transferor’s receipt of the approved application form may the firearm transfer be legally made. A transferee does not and cannot register, though possession of an unregistered firearm is illegal. No information or evidence furnished under the Act can be used as evidence against a registrant or applicant...”

In short background checks are not designed to make it illegal for criminals to buy firearms, they are designed to make it illegal to sell firearms to criminals. And to make things harder, criminals can lie about themselves during the background check process so as to get the firearms they want.

Now go back to Table 8 in the Justice Department Survey and see where criminals get their firearms and think about our current background check system at places that have FFL license and participate in the NICS system.

According to Table 8 Criminals get 8.3% to 14.7% of their firearms from “retail stores” that is gun-shops, sporting goods stores, etc. The kind of places that are required to use the NICS system. But wait, gun shows account for only 0.7 to 0.6% of Criminal firearms! Also note that pawn shops (which should have FFL’s if they sell a lot of firearms) are a source of 3.8% to 4.2% of Criminal firearms.

So not only is there NO GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE, a universal background check is designed to address a trivial source of where criminals get their firearms.

As Table 8 shows the problem is that criminals get their firearms from friends (fellow gang members) and family and from illegal street sources.

Does anyone think the following conversations will happen?

(1) Hey sister, can I trade or sell you these drugs or this stolen TV for that revolver of yours? Sure, but first we need to go down to the local police state and fill out the paperwork for a firearm transfer. Your good with that aren't you my brother?

(2) Hey my good illegal drug dealer, I need to get a pistol so I can rob a store to get money to buy more drugs from your. Sure my good addict friend, but before I give you this pistol, we both need to go to the police station pay them $20 and fill out the paperwork so I can transfer this stolen pistol to you.

The universal background check is all smoke and mirrors. It is legally designed to apply only to honest people. Criminals are not honest people and will ignore the law.
It will further not result in any meaningful reduction in gun violence.

19 posted on 03/29/2013 9:45:52 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do Background Checks for Gun Purchases Actually Work?

Depends. How easy is it to get false photo ID in the name of a law-abiding citizen that will pass the scrutiny of the checking agency?


20 posted on 03/29/2013 9:58:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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