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To: the scotsman

Give me as much time as you had to google the Net and I’ll pick up some facts to support my statements.

The war in WW1 WAS bogged down. The only reasons the Germans resumed submarine warfare was because they were fearful of American intervention.

As for WW2 - your people were pinned up in Britain while Hitler was running amoke everywhere else.

BY THE WAY,there may have been Aussies and New Zealand troops out in the Pacific but I DON’T RECALL any BRITISH units there.

Winston Chruchill was asked how many Americans he wanted to have sent to fight in Europe for Britain. He said just one - and he would be sure to put him where he was certain to be shot. He said that because he KNEW he needed us over there.

By the way, I DO know a very lot about British History. And the Briton of today isn’t one QUARTER the man of the Briton of yesteryear. (Unfortunately true of Americans also.)


28 posted on 03/27/2013 11:27:34 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: ZULU

1—I am a MA in History, and a lifelong lover of history, I dont need to surf the net. I have actually studied, written and lectured on history.

2—Even if WW1 was bogged down as you say, the idea that the Americans turned the tide and even more farcically that they ‘won’ the war and ‘saved’ Britain is utter bilge.

It was the British Army who bore the brunt of the Kaiserschlact counteroffensive in Easter 1918 (being driven back 40 miles at one point before recovering), and it was the BRITISH army who bore the major brunt of the summer Allied offensive to drive German troops back to Germany’s borders.

America?. There were more Canadians and even Aussies fighting in Europe vs the Germans in 1918 than there were Americans. There were even large numbers of Indian troops. As well as French Algerian, British black caribbeans and black French africans.

American troops fought as partners to French attacks in the summer of 1918, they didnt undertake a solo major offensive
until St Mihiel in SEPTEMBER 1918.

And here is another fact (go check it): the American army in 1918 had no planes, no tanks and no heavy artillery. ALL their supplies of the above came from British and French supplies loaned to America. Even a superpatriotic US historian like Stephen Ambrose admitted this fact in his last book (of history essays).

3—Yes, the UK was on its own in 1940-41, but we saved ourselves by winning the Battle of Britain and starting to win the Atlantic sea war (a battle won primarily by the British and Canadian navies).

You are wrong though that we were helplessly pinned down: between June 1940 and Dec 7th 1941, Britain launched commando raids across Europe, founded the SOE, supported and armed resistance units, fought in Greece and the Aegean, fought in Crete. And in Africa, we mauled the Italians so badly Hitler and Rommel had to step in, which means we had to fight the Nazis and Italians at the same time.

We also battered the Italians in Ethiopia and Somaliland, shattered the Italian navy at Taranto, sunk major German battleships. As well as invading both Iran and Iraq to quell pro-Nazi uprisings.

All this alone in 15-18 months.

4—No, the British fought the Japanese in Burma, Hong Kong, Malaya and the other British eastern empire territories.

5—Yes, you HELPED us in 1917-18 and again in 1942-45 (even before). BUT you didnt ‘save’ us. Why Americans feel to need to boast that they did is annoying to most Brits (and other nations like the Canucks or Aussies or Kiwis). Its bad history and it is disrespectful to Britain and to the British, esp those British who died 1914-18 and 1939-45, as well as the other Commonwealth/Empire nations.

You helped us, and we are forever thankful. Be happy with helping and with the gratitude we have.


31 posted on 03/27/2013 1:42:51 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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