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CBO: America Will Never See Full Employment Under Obama
Cybercast News Service ^ | March 26, 2013 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 03/26/2013 12:21:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The Congressional Budget Office is now projecting that the U.S. economy will never achieve full employment during the eight years Barack Obama serves as president.

That would make Obama the only American president during the post-World War II era who never presided over a year in which the U.S. economy offered full employment to the American people.

The CBO defines “full employment” to be when the national unemployment rate is at or below what it calls the “natural unemployment rate.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; corruption; democrats; liberalagenda; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals; nodemocrats2014; obama; sequesterpain; socialism; socialistdemocrats; unemployment

1 posted on 03/26/2013 12:21:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

All according to plan...


2 posted on 03/26/2013 12:22:51 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Olog-hai

Misery index still goung up.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 12:24:00 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Olog-hai

Obama’s Three Point Plan for America
1. Destroy the American economy
2. Destroy Isreal
3. Set up mid east Caliphate claiming it will lead to democracy...which it wont
He’s on track to accomplish all three while he takes a vacation every couple of weeks on our dime
Freegards
LEX


4 posted on 03/26/2013 12:24:52 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Olog-hai

Unemployment, dependency and disability are the new norm.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 12:24:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: Olog-hai

And the economy will never “recover” under 0bama.

In fact, it’s going down, and on purpose.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 12:27:03 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Olog-hai

Another goal met by the president.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 12:32:22 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Olog-hai

bush’s fault. unexpected.

bush’s fault, and unexpected.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 12:33:35 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Congress’ Three Point Plan for America
1. Destroy the American economy
2. Destroy Israel and support al Qaeda from Libya to Syria
3. Set up mid east Caliphate with Obama and Caliph
4. Let all Moslems out of ObamaCARE/DeathCARE
5. Leave US borders open and weaponize incoming terrorists.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 12:38:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Olog-hai

they still got time to cook the books and besides who says he has only 8 years...it will really be somewhere between 16 and forever!


10 posted on 03/26/2013 12:38:28 PM PDT by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: Olog-hai
And there are some people who still say it's not on purpose.
11 posted on 03/26/2013 12:43:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Olog-hai

The unemployment rate is a huge lie.
When someone is unemployed for more than six months, they are no longer counted as unemployed, whether or not they actually found a job, after six months they are counted as employed. This is, after all, a simple two-state model (the two states being either employed or unemployed - there is no third state.)

With a little bit of arithmetic, you can see that there are at least 3 million fewer jobs today in America than when Obama won the election that awful October day in 2008. That despite the fact that there are an additional million souls in the labor force. Had he maintained the same labor force participation rate that Bush maintained there would be 4 million more jobs than there are today.

This despite the fact that he has spent record amounts of money on some hare-brained 'stimulus' that only stimulated the bubble on the stock market and nothing more.

12 posted on 03/26/2013 12:46:55 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Olog-hai

Ultra Simplified Model

150,000,000 People in labor force
       * -2.5% drop in labor force participation rate
         -3.75 million fewer jobs!

For those who would like to show this to someone not good with statistics, you can really simplify it as above.

Assumptions
The US Labor Force is composed of people of working age, 16 and over. Usually up to retirement age.

The current US Labor Force is approximately 150million people.

The Labor Force Participation Rate shows the number of people in the labor force working.

Let's assume that the labor force stays at 150 million people just to keep this model simple.
Of course, the labor force grew by a million people since Obama won in 2008.



Tell that to the libtards when they say that the economy is on the mend... why just look at the stock market...

13 posted on 03/26/2013 1:02:56 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Olog-hai

Almost forgot...
Source:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


14 posted on 03/26/2013 1:04:18 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Olog-hai

Note that in the CBO posting he says it will take 4 years to back CLOSE to full employment.

Define ‘close’.....

Sounds like some lacking confidence.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 1:11:06 PM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Olog-hai

Pretty easy call when nearly everything Obama does is anti business.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 1:14:46 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Diogenesis

Re post 9:

Your amended Three Point Plan is up to five points, LOL.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 1:15:51 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

I thought the CBO was to be nonpartisan. This should have been released a long long time ago. What does the CBO stand for other than Covering Barack’s Orifices. Enough said!


18 posted on 03/26/2013 1:16:07 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Olog-hai
Here is the labor force participation rate since Ronald Reagan was president.

Look at what happened pretty much the day Obama was elected.

19 posted on 03/26/2013 1:19:15 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
"The unemployment rate is a huge lie."

We all agree on that point and we all agree the Won has made the situation worse. Just for the sake of argument though, will America ever see full employment under any future President, regardless of party? Will high tech and productivity gains, plus free trade and the transfer of technology make eight (or sixteen--pick your number) percent unemployment seem like good times in the future? Short of a world war, is there any way out of the new normal?

20 posted on 03/26/2013 1:22:19 PM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Olog-hai

Hurray for the CBO; only, you know, some of us saw this coming four years ago.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 1:37:42 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Olog-hai

“Full employment?” LOL! That’s been funny for several decades under socialist politicians. We go around putting our fingers in dykes while wondering why we’re seeing a flood.


22 posted on 03/26/2013 2:43:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: bluecat6
Define ‘close’.....

somewhere between horseshoes and the pineapple-shaped thingies that go boume when tossed.

23 posted on 03/26/2013 2:58:11 PM PDT by Studebaker Hawk (These geeks are a dime-a-dozen. I'm looking for the man with the dimes. Freddy Blassy)
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To: buckalfa
Short of a world war, is there any way out of the new normal?

This has actually been going on for a lot longer than just under Obozo.
Think about the big cities around you... when was the last time you saw them put up a new factory, major manufacturing operation, etc.?
For most cities, those were buildings that got turned into lofts or gutted.

That began in the 60's-70's - it takes a long time for it all to go away.

We would need to radically re-wire our society, especially the rules for the economy, regulation and unionization, not to mention our education system.

I am not sure if it can be done.
We are probably heading for hyperinflation and war - history has given us plenty of precedents - 900 or so years worth. Obama has only put us on the fast track to the endgame.

Great book on the subject:

24 posted on 03/26/2013 3:14:25 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Olog-hai

They is some smart cookies up there in Washington.

It is WAY over my head. /sarc


25 posted on 03/26/2013 6:16:41 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Bon mots

That can’t be right. that’s huge!


26 posted on 03/27/2013 8:58:55 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Bon mots

meh.......the more things change, the more they remain the same.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 9:01:37 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Studebaker Hawk

“shaped thingies that go boume’ when tossed. “

You have French hand grenades?


28 posted on 03/27/2013 9:07:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“And there are some people who still say it’s not on purpose.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Ain’t it amazin’! Such a short time ago the attitude was that only a raving nutcase would ever suggest that an American president might take office with full intention of destroying the country. Now you have to be a blind fool NOT to believe that is exactly what has happened. I said four years ago that that was the case, I guess I was ahead of my time.

I do think leftists are basically not smart at all but I do not believe they are stupid enough to think that what they are doing is going to make this a better and stronger country, nobody that stupid could even walk and chew gum.


29 posted on 03/27/2013 11:07:41 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Rich21IE
That can’t be right. that’s huge!

That's from the very site of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

See for yourself the disaster that is unfolding and being hidden from you.
Set the date at the top of the page to go from 1980 to today and you'll see the exact chart I posted above.

30 posted on 03/27/2013 11:30:55 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots

Oh..........I believe; your singing to the choir with me!
Its just I’ve never seen it so starkly presented before.

For what its worth, (not much probably), I’ll give you my genuine thoughts on the subject, i.e., that it wouldn’t matter of Albert Einstein was in office, this very same scenario would have played out. Here’s the reasons:

1) Combination of wretched Corporate Management, Union Greed and Globalization gutted U.S. manufacturing. And probably the worst was the horrible “Free Trade” agreements and globalization; then
2) Relentless Open Borders policy provided an oversupply of cheap labor and that policy was gleefully enabled by both parties; the Corporatist GOP types like the cheap labor and the Dems saw the immigrants as shoring up their voting base, then
3) The advent of the Information Age and the Internet has killed one entire segment of the economy........retail. Just think of all the chains that have bit the dust and/or are about to; millions of retail jobs lost to Amazon. And the result has been the hollowing out of the Malls, the strip shopping centers, etc.; that, followed by
4) Clinton’s search for an Engine of Economic Recovery; he found it in the financial sector and started the process of undoing the bandaids like Glass-Steagal that had been put on the Depression era Banking system and.....voila! The great crash of 2008; which was propelled by
5) The “Ownership” society, housing bubble prompted by Bush and the horrible Mortgage management crisis, in concert with the free-wheeling Banks and you got the entire Housing sector collapsing.

But wait, there’s more! What with new inovation in technologies/computing and robotics, the Plants are coming back......Whirlpool recently announced they’ll start building appliances in the U.S. again; the catch is, they’ll be built by highly automated, robotic assembly lines.

Add to this a gov’t that got into the Education loan business and promotes the idea that every kid in the U.S. MUST get a college degree and we’re now faced with the new normal of, (drum roll please);

PEAK EMPLOYMENT! We’re PAST it; there will never again be a need for as many workers as a percentage of the population as there was in the 1970’s. And the number of workers as a percentage of population will head, inexorably.......down ...........forever!

Of course......no one wants to believe the future could ever be this bleak, and it may not be for one very strange reason......about the same time we past Peak Employment, we past Peak Population Growth, much like Japan in the 1990’s. Problem, short term is that there will be ever fewer workers to support an ever aging population in retirement, BUT once the Boomer generation shuffles off its mortal coil.........you’ve got reproduction at a level below the population replacement rate and the future starts to look more like, Italy, sans the beatiful women and great food.


31 posted on 03/27/2013 12:21:04 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE

There is one possible circumstance, I have always believed, where that down-spiral might be defeated. As a very modern manufacturer I see what it takes to keep a job from going to China. At the moment there are only about 12 million people in the US who actually make something. Most of the people out of work were paper pushers, assistants, HR experts, assemblers-—mostly “one-skill” people with pretty much zero flexibility in terms of being useful in another job. And typically unwilling to re-train themselves at a higher level in their old company. I know far too many people who think they are safe for a lifetime when they have learned one skill that makes them a living. Continuing education at one level or another is a must. How many houses have you been where there isn’t a single book in sight? Learning how to text on a piece of krap cellphone or cruise for porn on a PC are not life skills. That whole 100+ million people must commit to continuing more advanced learning-—take a job away from a Chinaman. That requires being the best at whatever it is they choose to do. What’s over is the days of half-assed commitment to a minimal-skilled job.


32 posted on 03/27/2013 1:24:09 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1
Education for the new economy could also be a factor.

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2 China 1493 2843.42
3 Poland 223 2836.81
4 Japan 635 2763.59
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7 Belarus 115 2527.16
8 South Korea 127 2318.13
9 Canada 95 2244.92
10 Croatia 70 2213.21
11 Taiwan 51 2192.27
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13 Bulgaria 95 2106.83
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15 Iran 97 2061.27
16 Viet Nam 114 2042.5
17 Netherlands 15 2023.32
18 Indonesia 88 2001.12
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20 Slovakia 56 1965.68
21 United Kingdom 45 1965.65
22 Hong Kong 31 1935.77
23 Georgia 60 1909.86
24 Argentina 51 1893.87
25 Kazakhstan 90 1878.45

33 posted on 03/27/2013 2:03:41 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: cherokee1

Very true indeed! Unfortunately, this concept won’t defeat the down-spiral because its easier to sit in the Section 8 Apt. eating SNAP food, selling dope in the parking lot and watching Oprah, NBA, Jerry Springer and BET television all day. Easier to sit in your moms basement in Portland playing internet computer games all day. The dumbing down of both intellectual abilities, skill sets and expectations is irreversible.


34 posted on 03/28/2013 5:12:14 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: buckalfa

A President who departs from this path as radically as Thatcher did in the UK, yes. Of course, weak kneed Tories and aggressive socialists can ruin it all, but it can be done.


35 posted on 03/28/2013 2:55:08 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Rich21IE

Welfare reform did happen once. But it will take leaders with guts to go-for-broke as Pelosi did for the liberals in 09-11. Give her this: Pelosi is a fanatic, but she knows how to lead.


36 posted on 03/28/2013 2:57:46 PM PDT by RobbyS
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