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To: Longbow1969
No, the governments didn’t fall because of popular demand. That’s not how it works. Take a look at the circumstances surrounding José Socrates’ resignation, just for one example.

Never mind the supposed cure being worse than the disease. In every country “bailed out” with these loans, unemployment shot up. Even worse, Ireland is being pressured by the EU to raise its corporate tax rate to match the members that have higher rates.

There is no easy out for a member state of the EU any more than there was for a Soviet Republic to leave the USSR (and the latter had clauses that claimed that any SSR could “freely secede” from the USSR). The EU’s language is a bit more complicated (this is from Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon):
  1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

  2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.

    In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

  3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

  4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. …
Not bilateral by any stretch, and highly complicated. A member state can declare clausula rebus sic stantibus as a last resort, but with the USA basically out of the picture, who will support their contention?
34 posted on 03/26/2013 2:04:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
There is no easy out for a member state of the EU any more than there was for a Soviet Republic to leave the USSR

You take it too far here. I hope I've made it abundantly clear that I am no fan of the EU, but it's nothing even close to the Soviet Union. The EU is far more of a soft tyranny - which most member states are voluntarily joining.

No, the governments didn’t fall because of popular demand.

Lots of people and parties are popular till the majority of the citizens figure out there are real consequences to doing something like bucking the EU. Most Europeans in the member nations still prefer to stay in the Eurozone at almost any cost. A majority of voters in these countries are not willing to walk about from the EU. Greece just had a perfect opportunity to do so, and the people didn't do it.

39 posted on 03/26/2013 3:38:48 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Olog-hai
In every country “bailed out” with these loans, unemployment shot up.

That is because no one is actually getting bailed out. Europe is broke. It has no money. Do you think Germans all of people would just give up their money ? No. All smoke and mirrors.

This is what happened in Cyprus. Germany started selling its Greek bond holdings. Cyprus started buying Greek bonds. After the Germans were done selling, they bailed out Greece by wacking the bondholders. That was when Cyprus banks were wacked. 25 Billion in looses due to the Greek Bailout Rescue deal. There is no money. It is a zero sum gain. For everyone bailed out (Greece) someone must be wacked and made to pay for the bailout (Cyprus).

43 posted on 03/26/2013 3:52:03 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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