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Tucson gun store owner halts purchase of semiautomatic rifle by Kelly
Arizona Daily Star ^ | Carmen Duarte

Posted on 03/26/2013 6:16:04 AM PDT by SandRat

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To: roofgoat
A distant friend of the family, Uncle Vito, who has done “favors” for me or my family over the last few years comes to me and says “Goat, do me a favor and as a gift for my birthday nexy week, I’d like an AR, Rock River arms is cool”.

I am not LE either so don't follow my advice, but my sense is that if Uncle Vito goes out and shoots up a theater, the cops are going to look real hard at who he got the gun from. If I had *any* doubt about someone or didn't know them in great detail, there is *no way* that I would buy a gun for them.

61 posted on 03/26/2013 8:47:25 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: roofgoat

Let me go further and say that I would not buy a gun for anyone outside of my immediate family.


62 posted on 03/26/2013 8:49:34 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Sender

Sender, I was taking the gift argument to the extreme and just saying how the ATF would look if I gave “Uncle Vito” an AR as a gift.


63 posted on 03/26/2013 8:55:43 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: coloradan
Sounds like a “yes”. “Are you the ultimate recipient of the gun?” Lying on the 4473 is a felony - at least when us peasants do it.

When you're doing the bidding of tyrannical government you get the David Gregory exemption.

64 posted on 03/26/2013 8:56:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Yes, but did he violate the law? Those who argue that the government is not prosecuting him because he is a member of the protected class (apart from arguing that he should be prosecuted for political purposes) disregard the fact that any self-respecting defense attorney could drive a bus through the government's case.

I really don't know. Lying is not necessarily against the law but there is that pesky background check that he signed (and living in CA, I have signed several of these forms). Is that considered a contract of sorts?

It seemed to be enough of a question that the gun shop owner didn't want to risk bringing trouble on himself/his business.

This might be an excellent debate for law students.

65 posted on 03/26/2013 10:41:24 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: MinuteGal

“I’m so sick of DC political power marriages.......Gabby and Kelly, Barry and Moochelle, Hill and Bill, Joe and Jill, Bradlee and Sally, Nancy and Harry, McCain and Grahmnesty.......”

Liked the last one, heh, heh....


66 posted on 03/26/2013 10:45:20 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Sender; roofgoat
What I have read of the instructions for the actual buyer question say that if I go in to legally buy a gun with my own money, but plan on giving it to my (non prohibited) son or someone else, then I can answer "yes" that I am the actual buyer.

Technically, as I have modified your statement, you are correct, but remember, for serfs, the law means what the prosecutor says it means.

Most Federal prosecutors have found that they can get convictions for "gifts" to anyone outside the immediate family but not for children or spouses (unless prohibited).

Discussion of a firearms gift with a friend ahead of purchase will get you convicted easily, whereas a gift certificate, check or cash to the same party screws the prosecutor because you don't fill out the forms or receive the firearm.

The Feds and ATF are not about obeying the spirit of the law, they are about money, citizen control, tyranny, convictions and perception.

Never make the mistake of believing they are about observance of the law.

67 posted on 03/26/2013 10:52:10 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Don Corleone

Texas Rangers & Arizona Rangers.


68 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

I thought Arizona was the Diamondbacks.


69 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Diamondbaks paly baseball the Arizona Rangers are like the Texas Rangers, they are LOE.


70 posted on 03/26/2013 12:27:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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