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To: SampleMan
Probable cause for a Constitutional search occurs when a policeman witnesses a crime or witnesses evidence of a crime.

So if a suspect sees a cop and starts running away, the cop has no right to pursue and search the suspect? If you're not already a criminal defense lawyer, you may have missed your calling.

43 posted on 03/25/2013 8:29:57 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
So if a suspect sees a cop and starts running away, the cop has no right to pursue and search the suspect? If you're not already a criminal defense lawyer, you may have missed your calling.

You failed to explain your use of the word "suspect". What are they suspected of, being a potential criminal? In stop and frisk, that is the case.

If an actual crime has occurred, then you can talk probable cause for chasing a "runner".

45 posted on 03/25/2013 8:37:16 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Zhang Fei

A cop can (and will) say anything they want. They can bust your chops and cost you hours and days and weeks of anguish and anxiety. So long as they can say ‘thats what it looked like to me’ or some variant.
Here in NYC the police don’t just enforce the law. In many respects they are the law. They can arrest a person just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve seen it happen to people i know.


46 posted on 03/25/2013 8:39:55 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“So if a suspect sees a cop and starts running away, the cop has no right to pursue and search the suspect? “

That’s correct. You know why? Because running isn’t a crime! I’m dismayed at the amount of conservatives that are in favor of this clearly unconstitutional policy. Stop and frisk in NYC is a joke. And their claim that it has lowered crime is also a joke. They claim this by including all of the completely bogus little tickets they hand out to reach their quotas for things like blocking the sidewalk (because they are being stopped by the cops!), or any number of other BS reasons they make up.

As an American I really hope some of you rethink this position. It’s terrible policy and if it keeps up, you’re next.


50 posted on 03/25/2013 9:09:36 AM PDT by rudabaga
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