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The Doctor, and your Guns
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Posted on 03/25/2013 6:57:04 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

Masterpiece of writing! It deserves submission to some online mags. Seriously good job...


21 posted on 03/25/2013 7:58:33 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Yep, yours is the perfect argument against gov't-run care. Government is already in charge, in some places, and an evaluation of its competence is easily made.

My Grandfather had full access to the VA, and everything that they had to offer. From what little I know, it's considered comparatively decent in North Carolina (where he lived) given the large military presence there.

Grandpa used his local hospitals and docs instead. 'Nuff said, AFAIC.

Good luck and Godspeed to you.

22 posted on 03/25/2013 8:07:17 AM PDT by wbill
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To: marktwain; waterhill; ixtl

For later ping!


23 posted on 03/25/2013 8:21:19 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: PilotDave

“Exactly what they want. Doc marks down a no answer. They cross reference registered guns. You lied, therefore you are a criminal, swat team raid, felon. No guns.”

Any answer other than “NO” is a pretty obvious “yes”.
Its certainly not against the law to lie to a doctor, and if they already have you in their gun database, they really dont need to ask the question.


24 posted on 03/25/2013 8:27:01 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: marktwain

My pre-physical interverer asked me if I wore a helmet when riding my bicycle and if I wore seat belts.

I politely told her it was none of their business.

I have told my physician that I do a lot of shooting and would like my blood lead level checked.


25 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:11 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (The AR-15 is the Honda Civic of rifles ®)
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To: bicyclerepair

“This country is doomed. We are outnumbered.”

But not outgunned.


26 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:39 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“ObamaDoesn’tCare” Funny; that’s what my aunt and I called it last night. She had just gotten out of the hospital with pneumonia; said the ambulance trip to the hospital had cost her $1000 and she’s gonna have to pay it.

“OBAMANOCARE” “OBAMA-NO-CARE”


27 posted on 03/25/2013 8:30:13 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: PilotDave

So you sold them a couple of years ago since the market was hot.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 8:31:10 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: marktwain

The feds have to get a kick out of the “Go to hell” and “Mind your own damn business” type of answers.

That puts the patient in Category 3, which is psychotic gun owner, the worst category.

By the way, Cat 1 is someone that simply says “no”, Cat 2 is someone who says “yes”, but they’re safely stored away with trigger locks.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 8:33:35 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: wbill

The people who produced the movie “Idiocracy” would be offended that you used their material without attribution...:)

(only kidding...just to be sure!)


30 posted on 03/25/2013 8:57:20 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Twinkie

It’s short for ObamaDoesn’tCareAboutYou (or me).

;-)


31 posted on 03/25/2013 9:04:47 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: wbill
I wrote this a couple of years ago...it was a fictional discussion with healthcare providers under Obamacare.

"...I'm sorry sir...we cannot schedule that appointment for you in April 2013 to have that melanoma removed because you have not undergone your mandatory annual counseling after age 65...oh, of course you are right. I know you are only 62, but they did move the age down again this year...we have an opening in three months with the counselors office...would you like that?"

This is fully expected, but It will not be the people you will be FORCED to talk to in order to receive your care, nor the intentional delays in care that will be the most insidiously evil facets of this. It will be the conversations like this one below that will become commonplace that ONLY BEGIN to illustrate what it is all about:

"...Hi Jan, how are you? I heard your father is resisting counseling. It must be difficult, I know. There just seems to be so much of that lately. I know I am only 40 years old, but I don't understand why people like your father are so opposed to this.

I went with my mother to her counseling session, and while she was angry because she was supposed to have another five years before she had to go but they moved the age down again, she went anyway. I thought she was really rude to the counseling agent, who was just a young woman only doing her job. Hm.

Someone told me they are only hiring young women as counselors now, because the men who were doing it just got angry too easily and shouted at people to just "sign the damned papers". Hm. I tried to tell my mom why they have to do this, but she said they do it just to get rid of old people to save money.

The counseling agent gave my mom a copy of the book "Death is Joy". I read it, and it makes a lot of sense to me. Of course, when I was going to school, we didn't have to read it, but now they have required classes they take every year beginning in first grade.

Suzie is in third grade and is taking the course this year that deals with the chapter on keeping birth rates down, and Tommy is in his senior year where they cover the financial aspects of care for the elderly. He was so excited, he said that since they have implemented this national care program, the number of elderly people has dropped dramatically, so they can spend more money on programs such as monthly equality checks for the economically disadvantaged and reparations for the descendants of slaves. I think it is wonderful.

He asked me why so many elderly people are so selfish and refuse to accept counseling...I didn't really have an answer for him. Hm. Now, don't be defensive, I am not criticizing your parents.

I am just saying, it is a problem.

They had an hour-long program on PBS about this the other night, and they were saying how the people who are being selfish about this and refusing to take advantage of early exit programs that pay cash to their children are being so self-centered because they grew up in a time where everyone was self-centered and were interested only in money. You know, they showed films from the days of the capitalists where there were people who had what they called 'gas-guzzlers", and they used to make so much more money than they needed to live comfortably, so many people were going without health care because they were taking all the money..."

Then, just wait until they pass legislation for a "Death Benefit" that will be paid to the families of elderly people. That will be the icing on the cake. It will be presented as a compassionate gesture to help the families with their grief, and will put at ease those people slated for "end of life" counseling. I can see the conversation on this as well:

COUNSELOR: Thank you for coming in today, sir. Now, let's see...you have high blood pressure, rheumatoid arthritis but more importantly, positive genetic tags for vascular/heart disease, Alzheimer's, matricular degeneration and three types of cancer, prostate, esophageal and colon. Prostate and colon are very high. We see one of these two expressing itself in the next three years.

ME: Er...really?

COUNSELOR: Yes. This is all very scientifically based, and the results are incontrovertible. There is no mistake.

ME: Ahhh...could I speak to a doctor about this?

COUNSELOR: I am afraid not, sir. The rules are physicians are for direct care only, and nothing else. Federal Statue HCR23.1771-b mandates that I communicate this information to you, and inform you of the various options.

ME: But you don't know anything about medicine! You are a clerk, nothing more! How can I discuss this issue with you?

COUNSELOR: Sir, I have taken all the courses coming through High School, and attended the Life Counseling University courses offered by the government. I graduated in the top half of my class. I do understand the issues here.

ME: But...but...

COUNSELOR: Look, sir. You are getting old, and are soon going to be a burden on society. You don't have cancer right now, and can still think and get around, but for how long? You need to think about your children and their children. We offer a special financial compensation package that will help them bear the grief of your passing, to be paid out upon your death. With your approval, we emailed them an official forms packet before this meeting.

ME: I approved that?

COUNSELOR: Well, yes sir. The electronic copy is right here with you esignature (TURNS SCREEN TO FACE ME).

ME: I never signed that!

COUNSELOR: Sir, didn't you read the codocil that was automatically added at the bottom of your government supplied Will and Last Testament session that we finished up your first End of Life session you had with us last year? You did click the button that said "I approve all the changes" and you did use your voice authentication to say "I do approve".

ME: What! What is going on here? I...

COUNSELOR: Your two sons and your daughter who came in with you today have been in communication with our department on this. (Smiles) I think it is great that the government approves time-off pay for employees to attend these End of Life meetings for their parents. I'll call them in...

ME: Hey! I am not finished discus...

(DOOR OPENS, CHILDREN ENTER)

SON 1: Dad, I am so glad you signed up for the Early Exit Death Benefit. I was really behind on my tax payments for last year, and that will put me over the top...

ME: You...what?

SON 2: Yeah, dad. Billy is graduating from high school, and we want to send him to a quality college, but we could never afford it. But now we might...thanks to you.

Daughter: Oh, Daddy (tears in her eyes) I know none of us live forever, and I will miss you so much, but this money will allow me to pay th license fees to the government so I can open my dream business! Without you...

ME: HEY! WTF is going on here? I am not "ready to die", I feel pretty good, I could live for another twenty years! I didn't sign that damned thing, they just threw all this stuff in front of me! This is effing stupid! (TURNS TO COUNSELOR) Look, I don't know what kind of crap you set in motion, but undo it. I didn't sign up for this.

COUNSELOR: (PRIGGISH, TIGHT LIPPED LOOK ON HIS FACE) Sir...you have already been scheduled for next year, and your family has been paid that benefit in advance as the law allows. We cannot undo it. See the text that you signed (TURNS SCREEN) states explicitly that this if final and cannot be remanded...

ME: (SMASHES SREEN WITH HAND) LOOK! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU HAVE TO BURROW THROUGH THE WIRES BACK TO THE CENTRAL COMPUTER SYSTEM YOURSELF, USING YOUR SLIMEY PENCIL NECK AS A LEG TO DO IT SO YOU CAN UNDO THIS ROYAL F*CKUP ON YOUR PART...

COUNSELOR: (HAND CUPPED OVER SPEAKER, EYES ON ME, WHISPERING) We have a 22-22 in here...get in here right away...

DAUGHTER: (WAILS) How could you be so selfish?

SON 1: Great. I might as well go down to the Tax Police right now to get fitted for the volunteer industry uniform...

COUNSELOR: How am I going to tell Billy he can't go to the Barack Obama University? How?

DOOR OPENS, BURLY UNION GUYS IN BLACK COVERALLS RUN UP TO ME AND TASE ME. ALL GOES BLACK

32 posted on 03/25/2013 9:05:57 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rlmorel

Bookmark.


33 posted on 03/25/2013 9:21:53 AM PDT by Magnum44 (.45 Caliber - because having to shoot twice is just silly)
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To: SaintDismas

I have no qualms lying to a tool of totalitarianism. Just say “no”.


34 posted on 03/25/2013 9:56:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: marktwain

Nice Job


35 posted on 03/25/2013 10:03:27 AM PDT by capt B
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To: Neoliberalnot

You are right, people will simply end up lying about them having guns, and the doctors will end up being fooled. Plus many will simply just overlook this.


36 posted on 03/25/2013 10:13:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the article, but I have read other wonderful books that were written as fictional works and as of late have been shown to be more fact than fiction. The exchange is entertaining yet sadly it might be the shape of things to come.


37 posted on 03/25/2013 10:13:58 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: rlmorel
Never seen "Idiocracy". Need to, though. Buddy of mine caught it and said that it was funnier to discuss it afterwards, than during the actual viewing.

Hopefully Mike Judge (didn't he do Idiocracy? he did a great job with Office Space...) won't come after me for copyright infringement.....

38 posted on 03/25/2013 10:15:34 AM PDT by wbill
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To: marktwain

While this is satire, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) most definitely wants doctors to ask questions about gun ownership, not for Obamacare reasons directly, but for “ethical” reasons, though that is an obvious oxymoron.

That is, the AAP says that pediatricians have an “ethical responsibility” to ask about guns, and refusal to answer could be grounds to refuse treatment.

Since it is a vile question unrelated to medical care, conversely, patients have NO “ethical responsibility” to respond to it truthfully. Instead, say that you used to have guns and ammo, but you lost it all in a fishing accident.

And there’s not a damned thing he can do about it.


39 posted on 03/25/2013 10:33:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: marktwain

The quotes from the Affordable Care Act are serious and true. Medical personnel shouldn’t be asking, and patients don’t need to answer.

Now, to cut through the BS here, favored constituents and politicians in both political parties during the years of the Clinton Administration required doctors to ask those questions along with questions about whether or not women patients are abused in any way by their husbands or boyfriends.

So, contrary to bipartisan exclamations in political speech, Hillary’s not so great and wouldn’t make a great president. Neither would any other woman who supports more funding for public schools while riding on Hillary’s politics.

Feminist, medical and police organizations comprise most of the support for gun control and against our Second Amendment. Truly “low-information” voters are voters who don’t want to know that, for example, and continue to support fascist social aberrations for the sake of their government incomes and incomes derived from government.


40 posted on 03/25/2013 11:40:25 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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