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Academic calls for pay as you weigh flight fares
The Telegraph ^ | 3/25/2013 | David Millward

Posted on 03/24/2013 6:09:12 PM PDT by markomalley

Charging overweight fliers more would help carriers recoup the cost of the extra fuel required to carry them.

The idea has been floated in the Journal of Revenue and Pricing Management publication, by Bharat P Bhatta, an academic in Norway.

He suggests three methods of implementing the scheme. A straightforward price per kilogram, a fixed low fare with heavier passengers paying a surcharge and lighter passengers being offered a discount.

The third option would see passengers divided into three bands – heavy, normal and light and being charged accordingly.

“I think the simplest way to implement this would be for passengers to declare their weight when buying a plane ticket,” Dr Bhatta Sogn og Fjordane University College told The Daily Telegraph. “This would save time and eliminate expense.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: airlines; freemarket; ivorytowerdom; payasyouweigh
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1 posted on 03/24/2013 6:09:12 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Punish people for their flaws and make money doing it. It’s the liberal way.


2 posted on 03/24/2013 6:13:32 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley

Didn’t some airline have a marketing gimmick like this 20-30 years ago?


3 posted on 03/24/2013 6:14:39 PM PDT by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: markomalley

Public transportation is always subsidized and never makes any where near break even income. So why can’t riders pay the total cost of transportation?


4 posted on 03/24/2013 6:16:48 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: markomalley

How about we charge academics for their increased drag on society.


5 posted on 03/24/2013 6:18:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jsanders2001
Punish people for their flaws and make money doing it. It’s the liberal way.

So who do you think should mandate how the airline structures their pricing?

6 posted on 03/24/2013 6:19:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: markomalley

this would disproportionally target democrats.

especially the middle aged black women who the CDC finds are the fattest of the Fatties.

And Hispanics after them


7 posted on 03/24/2013 6:20:18 PM PDT by digger48
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To: markomalley

How about letting the competing airlines set their rates in any manner they see fit, and let the market decide...


8 posted on 03/24/2013 6:20:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: jsanders2001
Cost for freight shipment is directly related to package weight.

Same goes for passengers.

I'm all for letting the market handle it.

/johnny

9 posted on 03/24/2013 6:21:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: markomalley

Why not tie this into the TSA screening. Clearly a groper is going to have a good feel, so-to-speak, for how rotund each enroute passenger is, and what weight factor they will be on the flight.

Shouldn’t a TSA screening suffice as a medical checkup?

I’d presume its a matter of time before TSA screening, TSA x-rays, your personal rotundity level, will be linked up with your Øbamacare record.


10 posted on 03/24/2013 6:21:29 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: markomalley
Does this Academic know what happens when you ask an average woman to step on a scale?
11 posted on 03/24/2013 6:26:28 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: markomalley

Why don’t we just produce more gas since electric jet airlines will not be happening anytime soon?


12 posted on 03/24/2013 6:26:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: jsanders2001
"Academic calls for pay as you weigh flight fares"

If the brothels adopt the inverse I could probably live with it.

13 posted on 03/24/2013 6:27:14 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: markomalley

Lol, during the 1980s I smoked (since quit) and had a coworker who was forty or so pounds overweight. He liked to take the moral high ground concerning smoking, an anti-smoking Nazi, but of course, didn’t think his extra forty or so pounds merited any criticism.

I once told him that one day he and other overweight passengers would be charged extra by airlines since weight was a major restriction on how much a plane could carry, and therefore, how much profit could be made.

He thought I was nuts, but I assured him that there were people who’d try to make it so some day. Don’t know if it will happen, but I’d forward this to him if I know his email address.


14 posted on 03/24/2013 6:27:44 PM PDT by Will88
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To: jsanders2001

I am getting a little tired of this discrimination of heavy people.

First we have the Wide Load Michelle trying to tell us how to raise our children. Then we have CVS telling their employees what to do and how much to weigh, then we have Doctors required to pimp on us to the Govt. in Obamacare.

We cannot discriminate against illegals, minorities,Muslims, gays, or idiots, but it’s fine to crap all over heavier peopl. The hell with that.


15 posted on 03/24/2013 6:30:13 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: JRandomFreeper
Two points to think about there:

1. One big difference is that freight transportation involves handling of the product in a way that passenger transportation does not. Freight is inanimate and has to be handled often at multiple different points in the transportation process. Almost all passengers, on the other hand, move themselves to and from their seats.

2. Related to #1 ... To get a sense of how big a factor the "handling" process is in transportation, just look at container shipping. Because a shipping container filled with styrofoam peanuts is handled the same way as a container filled with a densely packaged product, there is no difference in shipping costs between the two.

Personally, I have no problem with an airline charging based on passenger weight. But you can be sure that there would be hell to pay when half of the overweight passengers come up with some kind of "disability" that makes the whole plan unworkable.

16 posted on 03/24/2013 6:30:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: markomalley
Bharat P Bhatta, an academic in Norway

Nice honest Norwegian name there. I'll be he loves his cross-country skiing.

17 posted on 03/24/2013 6:30:44 PM PDT by relictele
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To: Joe 6-pack
How about letting the competing airlines set their rates in any manner they see fit, and let the market decide...

That's the way it should be but you know when an academic proposes something it usually involves a government regulation or mandate and a grant to him to study it.

18 posted on 03/24/2013 6:33:02 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: markomalley

Well I certainly see the basis of this idea-pay by weight has always been the norm for any other kind of shipping. As a tall guy though, I’m not particularly fond of the idea if it is strictly by weight compared to the current system. I am by no means fat as far as seat width goes, but I carry the weight of my height.


19 posted on 03/24/2013 6:35:19 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: relictele
Nice honest Norwegian name there. I'll be he loves his cross-country skiing.

No native Norwegian would be caught dead coming up with such a politically-incorrect pricing methodology.

20 posted on 03/24/2013 6:36:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: markomalley

It will never directly affect me, I’d have to be a flier for it to do so. I haven’t flown a whole lot in my life time, since I got out of the service, I’ve not flown at all.

With TSA procedures being what they are, I never will. Their practices are the kind of nonsense, up with which, I will not put.


21 posted on 03/24/2013 6:37:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: nascarnation

> So who do you think should mandate how the airline structures their pricing?

No one. Let the free markets and the owners / principals of the airline make that decision. A mandate is government regulation; it’s not needed in this situation.


22 posted on 03/24/2013 6:39:17 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Great, but that seems at odds with your earlier comment.


23 posted on 03/24/2013 6:39:56 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: jsanders2001

no you pay your own freight -— it’s the conservative way. Theoretically I have no problem with fat people paying more if they are costing more. I just do not see a way to carry it out. They are going to weigh people? Assinine. In the real world it will never happen.


24 posted on 03/24/2013 6:40:47 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: posterchild

Pay according to how much you weigh might be a good policy for buffet type restaurants too. It wouldn’t work well for my 13 year old son though, slim and trim, he could probably eat his weight in food.


25 posted on 03/24/2013 6:41:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

If they are going to charge us 6-2 guys more money..then we should get a bigger seat for the money..it goes both ways.


26 posted on 03/24/2013 6:41:46 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: jsanders2001; markomalley

Based on this logic, shouldn’t homosexuals pay more for medical insurance?


27 posted on 03/24/2013 6:42:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Oldexpat
get a bigger seat for the money

Isn't that called the 1st class section?

28 posted on 03/24/2013 6:43:17 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: a fool in paradise
Why don’t we just produce more gas since electric jet airlines will not be happening anytime soon?

We can send men to the moon and we can't make a 3000 mile long extension cord?

29 posted on 03/24/2013 6:43:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: plain talk
no you pay your own freight -— it’s the conservative way.

A lot of liberals and conservatives define their respective ideologies in ways that *coincidentally* favor them. This is how liberals in NYC come up with zoning strategies in NYC that raise housing costs into the stratosphere, thereby keeping out most of the riff raff.

30 posted on 03/24/2013 6:44:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Graybeard58
And early returns on jets with Li Ion batteries aren't too good either....


31 posted on 03/24/2013 6:45:50 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: digger48
this would disproportionally target democrats.

especially the middle aged black women who the CDC finds are the fattest of the Fatties.

And Hispanics after them.

You forgot lesbians. There's some recent CDC studies on their weight too.

32 posted on 03/24/2013 6:46:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: plain talk
They are going to weigh people? Assinine. In the real world it will never happen.

Not so long ago, to say,"they are going to search people before they get aboard" would have sounded equally ridiculous.

33 posted on 03/24/2013 6:47:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: jsanders2001
Punish people for their flaws and make money doing it. It’s the liberal way.

No. The REAL liberal way would be to prohibit an overweight person from flying until they reduce their weight to a government approved level.

34 posted on 03/24/2013 6:50:35 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: nascarnation

> Great, but that seems at odds with your earlier comment.

It’s not. An “academic” made that suggestion not the airline. Big difference.


35 posted on 03/24/2013 6:54:41 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Oldexpat
If they are going to charge us 6-2 guys more money..then we should get a bigger seat for the money..it goes both ways.

I don't disagree with that. I haven't flown in years but don't they make morbidly obese people buy two seats now?

I don't quite understand how you taking up more room in an upward direction would make any difference at all.

Never mind, I remember now that your tallness affects how much you weigh too. I don't have any answers but I know that gov interference is never the correct answer.

I'm 6'0" and weigh 190, I can see that a person who was 5'0" and weighs 190 might need a wider seat. but again, I don't fly.

36 posted on 03/24/2013 6:55:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Venturer

We should be able to discriminate against anything that’s a choice: entering the country illegally, being gay, following Islam or getting fat. If I own a plane and don’t want to let on any gays, illegals or Muslims, that’s my choice. Same if I want to charge fatties for taking up more space and using extra fuel.


37 posted on 03/24/2013 7:02:49 PM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: markomalley

What’s the difference between natural ‘overweight’ and fat lazy socialist lazy pigs calorie enriched on food stamps, gummint fortified playing video games 24/7?

Going with the free market on this one.


38 posted on 03/24/2013 7:04:44 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: markomalley

The last time that I checked, while fuel costs does cost a lot for an airline, the marginal cost of the extra fuel to carry a heavy person is quite small...so if they are going to charge, the difference shouldn’t be much, unless they’re scamming their customers (as has been shown for other surcharges).


39 posted on 03/24/2013 7:10:17 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only if they smoke.


40 posted on 03/24/2013 7:12:31 PM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: Graybeard58

don’t they make morbidly obese people buy two seats now?”

I believe Southwest Airlines or perhaps some other airline tried that and I don’t think it flew too well. Can’t remember whether or not it resulted in a lawsuit.

It’s not just how much room they take up though, there is a real issue with how much a seat belt will really extend as well as trying to get someone down an emergency chute who is morbidly obese or even just obese. Not going to happen.

If just one time a plane had to go in wheels up and everyone had to deploy down a chute I think you might see some more attention paid to the safety aspects.

I used to be a flight attendant back in the late 50’s and early 60’s and while I may be old, I still remember my training on how to get an emergency door open and get people down a chute and am still quite physically able to do so now. So I always tried to sit on the emergency evac row. Some little twit of a flight attendant on Delta tried to move me into another “more appropriate seat”. Informed her I was evacuating people out of airplanes long before she was ever born. Guys in my row gave me a thumbs up.


41 posted on 03/24/2013 7:13:38 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Graybeard58

good point. I stand corrected. anything is possible now.


42 posted on 03/24/2013 7:16:00 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: markomalley

The cost difference between carrying a 175 pound passenger and a 200 pound passenger would not amount to anything measurable.Why don’t we just make sure that everyone boarding the plane pees and poops before hand.( Of course the genius population in our government would decree that they do the business ON the plane BEFORE takeoff) It makes as much sense. Those faculty lounges in Europe are just as dysfunctional as ours I guess. God Save the Republic!


43 posted on 03/24/2013 7:16:28 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: markomalley

simple solution..optional gift card,
for people willing to get
on a scale


44 posted on 03/24/2013 7:17:22 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: quantim

Overweights may not be socialist government welfare foodstamp munching hoodrats, but they sure are lazy bastards with no respect for their own bodies... not to mention they are the most demanding of others.


45 posted on 03/24/2013 7:25:19 PM PDT by sagar
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To: RockyTx

“passengers to declare their weight when buying a plane ticket,”

Euhm. Yeah, I can totally see that working. Time for scales so you can herd the cattle through the weigh scale! With a big bright number so everyone can see just how much you weigh!

God, I love markets.


46 posted on 03/24/2013 7:25:52 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BobL

I suspect there is a reason this isn’t already done. Planes are MASSIVE. Did a quick calculation based on numbers at Wikipedia. If you took a fully loaded 737-300 Southwest airlines plane (so, no first class section to reduce the number of passengers) and filled every single single seat with the average adult American male, the mass of the passengers would be about 25% the total mass of everything. All machines have some start-up inefficiencies — doubling the weight isn’t going to double the fuel consumption because some of that fuel is going to overcoming inefficiencies that are already overcome (friction in the engines, wind resistance — all things that cause fuel consumption but aren’t related to weight), etc. Fuel is not the only cost of operating a plane.

Long story short, the fact that airlines AREN’T doing this already suggests that the increased cost of transporting an overweight flier is less than the cost of implementing such a policy.


47 posted on 03/24/2013 7:28:09 PM PDT by lgwdnbdgr
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To: Grams A

Yep, there are a lot of scenarios where by rights I should be the last guy out.

Collapsed building? The skinny people first, lest I plug the hole.


48 posted on 03/24/2013 7:29:28 PM PDT by null and void (If the government is so worried about civil disturbance, why are they working so hard to disturb us?)
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To: digger48

it’ll be regional... most of the “fatties” are in the south... Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, West Virginia...


49 posted on 03/24/2013 7:34:29 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: JCBreckenridge

no need for a big bright readout


50 posted on 03/24/2013 7:35:38 PM PDT by RockyTx
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