Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
Well if its already illegal to bring them then it seems like a condition of those victims getting some sort of legal status, beyond the Obama one they have now, is that they identify those who brought them here illegally, if it is a crime.
And those people get prosecuted for it.
Now some may not apply if that is the condition if say its relatives.
Besides Dems absolutely wont support a immigration bill that has no citizenship, they will kill it. Their base demands it. So why join them?
Illegals don't equal Hispanics. We have lawbreakers from all over the globe. There is a large number of illegal aliens from China and India.
You are using the term "trafficking" incorrectly. Illegal aliens bringing in their children are not guilty of trafficking which is against the law and is defined in that law.
Is a great way to make sure they go out and vote. And they did vote. They didnt vote in 2010 but that talk sure got them out in 2012
Hispanics comprised 10% of the vote in 2012 compared to 13% for blacks. The number of all voters was much greater in 2012, a Presidential year, than in 2010. The Hispanic vote was important in a few states, but it is not the reason why the Reps lost WI, MA, Iowa, Ohio, PA, etc.
My problem is I rarely agree with anyone else 100% of the time. And many here demand 100%
Back August 2011 I joined those here laughing at Perry as Romney took the tough guy approach (I didnt trust Romney at all), I must admit it. I judged Perry badly
But given Mr 47% got Hispanics out to vote in big numbers to deport him(with others too) , showing Romney as the clueless elitist loser he is, he was sooo sure he was winning, Rush was sure too,
I am much more understanding of Perry's positions now.
Perry was talking reality not the GOP POTUS primary fantasy world. He has to live in the real world.
That was what I am suggesting. The next reform bill needs to make it a crime.
Reagan's bill should have done that.
The failed Bush/MCcain bills should of done that.
Those who bring them over illegally are creating this situation. The kids are the victims. Their parents leave them belonging no-place. That should be a felony
Make it a felony to create this problem, instead of going after the victim kids.
But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.
Bringing up history is never a stray man. The current coversation is liberal position A and hard left position B.
As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.
The proper thing is to speak to the America people past the corrupt corporations and to say "Children do not benefit from the crimes of their parents in America. I I break into your home and drop off my kid, he does not become your responsibility or a member of your family without you having a say so."
These kids aren't victims. They beneficiaries of a crime. They should not be punished in any way. They should simply be sent home.
Even Michelle Bachmann was opposed to deportations and had a plan similar to Rand’s yet no one here has called her out.
Cite Bachmann’s plan that called for amnesty.
I agree with this.
What Rand Paul is proposing is a form of blanket amnesty. He preconditions it with a secure border, which is good. If he also preconditioned it with a federal law requiring photo ID to vote, and proof of citizenship to register, it would be even better.
But allowing millions of people to stay here and harvest the fruits of their lawbreaking is unacceptable. As a bare minimum, we need to be a lot more selective than Rand Paul: no burglars, no street gang members, no prostitutes, no drug addicts, no drug dealers, no welfare queens. No con men or credit card scammers.
They qualify for a path to citizenship only if they've been working or going to college more than they've been collecting government benefits, they've been here at least ten years (perhaps this could be reduced to five years for entrepreneurs, people with high tech job skills, and immediate family members of citizens), and they've never even been arrested for anything other than immigration violations. If the local anti-gang or anti-drug task force identifies them as gang members or drug dealers, they get deported even if they've never been arrested.
The path to citizenship should require that they learn English, continue to stay out of trouble, continue working or going to college, and generally continue being an asset to the community (rather than a liability) for five more years.
And this program should have the two preconditions I mentioned at the top: (A) a secure border, and (B) a federal law requiring photo ID to vote, and proof of citizenship to register. (Don't worry, Reverend Sharpton. If they can't afford the $5.00 fee for a photo ID, all they have to do is bring in proof that they're on food stamps or whatever, and we'll waive the $5.00 fee.)
This is just a suggestion, and a starting point for further discussion, don't tase me bro etc.
I am pleased to see than 90% of the comments on this post got it right: Rand Paul is NOT Conservative and IS peddling Rat Poison.
Oh, one other thing.
They need to waive the right to bring in more family members.
The proponents of the 1986 amnesty promised that it would be a one time affair never to happen again. It was to be the first and only amnesty. Now 27 years later we have 12 to 20 million or maybe more illegal aliens. We are told this will be the last amnesty. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I can't understand what the urgency is to legalize those already here illegally. The best approach is to enforce our existing laws and make this country as unwelcoming as it can be to illegal aliens. Instead, we are offering in-state tuition, food stamps, driver's licenses, etc. and even a backdoor amnesty. Why reward people who thumbed their noses at our laws brazenly flaunting them. They work illegally, commit ID theft, drive illegally, appropriate SSNs, lie on employment applications, evade taxes, etc. Are these the kind of people we want as citizens?
The problem with Rubio and McCain is that they are so desperate for a deal w Dems that they are willing to give in to stuff like citizenship(voting) before negotiations start. And Obama will get the credit for it, they wont.
Another one is ID fraud. How many false IDs did they use here?
I cant tell from what Paul said if he is serious, and the promise of border conditions alone strikes me as lame.
Paul sounds to me like he wants Hispanics to see him as the next compassionate conservative by claiming they are all conservatives who would be insulted if the gub offered them or their kids anything for free.
He is talking to them when he says this.
They are all scared.
The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.
“Republicans need to become parents of a new future with Latino voters “
What???? Parents???? IF they need PARENTS, we don’t need them! Not very libertarian of you, Sen.Paul. Just another GOP sell out.
BTT
As another FReeper has put it so eloquently: all I want to know is which laws I get to break without penalty.
Hannity says Paul is on his show today.
That was a hell of a post. Thank you.
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