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To: Windflier
When and if our side finally nominates a real conservative, you'll see the sort of landslide support that topples Commie/Democrat regimes.

This is sort of the central article of faith of FR, but I assure you, it's wrong and based on wishful thinking.

A "real conservative" (as defined by the majority of FR) will lose fare worse than Romney did. Not understanding that is a symptom of being out of touch with a variety of people across the political spectrum in a variety of geographic settings.

And spare me the Reagan stuff. First, he wasn't nearly the "true conservative" that people have sort of invented memories of.

Second, key aspects of how he built his coalition (anti-Communism, "tough on crime") simply don't matter anymore.

The Soviet Union is gone - the "tough on crime" thing is a bit different. There's been a small uptick in violent crime the past couple of years, of course, but crime has still declined steeply from the beginning of the Clinton Administration till today. At the time Reagan was elected, crime was rampant, and more importantly, it was spread more widely - the white middle class had far more fear of crime than they do today (which is now even more concentrated in minority neighborhoods and is mostly minority-on-minority.) Sure, there are lurid stories posted of awful crimes on FR all the time, but the white middle class isn't nearly as terrified of crime as they were in the 1980s - in the 1980s, I had various relatives and myself burglarized, but I literally don't know a single person that's been the victim of a single crime in the past decade.

The soccer mom types in the 1980s who may have voted Republican out of fear for their own and their children's safety are now going Democratic because of gay rights and abortion.

50 posted on 03/18/2013 9:55:32 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
The soccer mom types in the 1980s who may have voted Republican out of fear for their own and their children's safety are now going Democratic because of gay rights and abortion.

LOL, yeah, move left, that'll work. Romney couldn't get people to vote for him because he was so far left, but you want to keep going that way, you have an agenda, not an honest theory.

58 posted on 03/18/2013 10:03:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Strategerist
A "real conservative" (as defined by the majority of FR) will lose fare worse than Romney did. Not understanding that is a symptom of being out of touch with a variety of people across the political spectrum in a variety of geographic settings.

So, I take it you're in agreement with the GOP-e, that we must now embrace abortion, gay 'marriage', amnesty, and big government Socialism to win elections?

I hope that's not your thinking. If it is, or if you've succumbed to the idea that the leftward slide of the Republican party is inevitable, then you've essentially given up on the Founding Principles of our country.

Perhaps you're like me, and believe that a showdown of sorts is approaching, and that this thing will be decided outside the bounds of our established civil mechanisms.

But to address your contention above, I disagree. I believe that the majority of people in this country are hungering for adult, sensible leadership, and would support a dedicated, courageous conservative in numbers strong enough to steam roller the Democrats.

61 posted on 03/18/2013 10:13:19 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Strategerist
And spare me the Reagan stuff. First, he wasn't nearly the "true conservative" that people have sort of invented memories of.

Resgan was a conservative who supported limited government, individual liberty, capitalism, and lower taxes. His actions helped spur a 20 year recovery from the Carter years.

The real problem for the GOP is that we are no longer the same people (electorate) that we were in 1970 or 1980. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history.

Multiculturalism, liberal control of the education system, and government programs that reinforce racial, ethnic, and gender identities, e.g., affirmative action, minority business set asides, etc., have affected assimilation into America and respect for the vision and ideas of our Founders and the importance of the Constitution. We are being colonized by the Third World.

Reagan would never be elected Governor in CA today. It has nothing to do with his political philosophy or his ideas. He would have an R after his name, which would make him unelectable. Reagan didn't change but the electorate of CA has. The consequences of that demographic change are permanent and long lasting. It will be many generations before any Rep candidate for President is ever victorious in CA.

And that same process that transformed CA is happening now in CO, NM, AZ, VA, FL, NC, and NV.

62 posted on 03/18/2013 10:22:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Strategerist
A "real conservative" (as defined by the majority of FR) will lose fare worse than Romney did.

Okay. Let's run one and find out.

Are you with us?

64 posted on 03/18/2013 10:44:44 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Strategerist

???

Lemme guess... you’re a turd poker?
Or just a coward?


72 posted on 03/18/2013 12:51:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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