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To: elpadre

You are either conservative or not—there are no differences among conservatives. It is the phony conservatives who are really liberal who are set against conservatives and cause division—no conservative is set against another conservative. No conservative will stand with liberals to be destroyed.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 7:28:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Now that Dick Morris has declared that the pro life stance is a GOP loser, I think the 2nd amendment is the only conservative stance that hasn’t been thrown overboard by the GOP (but CPAC isn’t over yet)


5 posted on 03/16/2013 7:39:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai; elpadre

So who is behind the effort to crash our liberties and tear-up the U.S.Constitution? Who is out to destroy Conservatives?

Watch the DVD by Bill Still called The Money Masters. It is available on youtube or you can buy the DVD online.


6 posted on 03/16/2013 7:43:09 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Olog-hai

I would disagree somewhat. Conservatives have a spectrum of beliefs, unlike liberals who strive for philosophical purity.

Much of what conservatives argue about among themselves has to do with what drives their “flavor” of conservatism. Here are some of the different motivations, of which there is considerable overlap:

1) “Classical” conservatives. They see the purpose of government as being managerial, not innovative. They are overall content with the status quo, whatever it is, not wanting radical change in any direction, only gradual, methodical change, except with situations that are intolerable.

2) “Religious” conservatives. They are unsatisfied with popular or relativistic ethics, or the embrace of man-made laws when they contravene the morality of religious laws.

3) “Business” conservatives, who truly appreciate President Harding’s statement that “The chief business of the American people is business.” This group has endless subgroups that reflect the complexity of economics, but otherwise are least likely to integrate the views of non-business conservatives.

4) “Militarist” and “Law & Order” conservatives. They believe that the primary purposes of government is to defend the nation as a whole from external or internal threats, with everything else being somewhat superfluous. W. Bush took this to the extreme, with his War on Terror lashing out at terrorists around the world (good), but also with the promulgation of a police state directed at innocent American citizens at home (not so good), seeing grand threats within that did not exist. They always vote for more money for the Pentagon, the 16 intelligence agencies, and the 100+ federal police agencies.

5) “Libertarian” conservatives. The least appreciated of the conservatives, they really reject the idea of the federal government involving itself directly in the lives of the citizenry at all, instead of through the states. And many do not wish to be annoyed by the states, or corporate entities, either.

6) “Social and Secular” conservatives. An unusual blend of other groups, for the most part rejecting everything leftist, but very dubious about religion as well, though embracing many of its goals. Miscellaneous.

7) “Faux and fake” conservatives, which includes the Eisenhower-era “Country Club” Republicans, the modern RINOs, the “Beltway Bandits”, consultants and spin doctors, lobbyists and corporate proxies, bureaucrat Mandarins and functionaries, and perpetual lickspittles and hangers-on.

8) Yes, I undoubtedly missed some.


10 posted on 03/16/2013 8:28:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Olog-hai

On the contrary there are wide differences among conservatives a fact rooted in the very definition of conservatives.

To be a conservative is to believe in the preservation or restoration of what was, or at least what one believed once was in their nation and/or state.

As we come from different states & backgrounds with different history’s and an infitie number of different times. What defines one conservatives is very easily a completely different thing that defines anther.

In regard to Grover Norquist, guilt by association is not grounds for condemnation, nor does it make his ideas in regard to a balanced budget invalid.

It is a noted fact of human nature that men are usually wrong(unsuccessful) in many areas of life while right(successful) in others. Obama is a good politician but none of us would claim that he has a lick of sense in managing anything.


11 posted on 03/16/2013 8:41:38 AM PDT by Monorprise
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