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To: Texan5

RE: as far as I’m concerned-the fed has no business in what is a religious ritual/sacrament at all, period-it has become a slippery slope.

Let’s put our thinking caps on for a while.

Let’s say that the term “marriage” is not longer an institution the government ( Fed or State or local ) recognizes.

How does the government administer laws like immigration, spousal contracts, divorce, social security, etc. if we do away with the recognition of marriage?


33 posted on 03/14/2013 9:19:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
spousal contracts, divorce, social security, etc. if we do away with the recognition of marriage?

The only one of those that's a problem is Social Security. Divorce (division of property) is already common among Hollywood's unmarried. I would like to know how SS would be handled if the Fed got out of the marriage business (which I think they should).

38 posted on 03/14/2013 9:25:48 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: SeekAndFind

My husband and I bought the required marriage license, but were married by a Catholic priest in a ceremony before witnesses and guests-only after the priest had blessed our vows did we consider ourselves married-my opinion may be colored somewhat by my beliefs.

Let private attorneys draw up simple, standard contracts-divorce and custody issues, etc are based on a piece of paper that says absolutely nothing of import now-a marriage license-I produced mine to qualify for my late husband’s military benefits. That could just as easily have been a certificate from a church, temple, mosque, etc. asserting that we were married on such-and-such a date, before witnesses. In Texas, we still also have “common law marriage”.

How about if we let those issues you mention that revolve around a spousal contract continue to do so-but have the contract be a marriage performed by clergy-or one drawn up by a lawyer, in the case of atheists? The point being to get the government out of personal business-all they have done is drag us down the path to secularism and ridiculous “rights” that have no basis in anything but imagination.


68 posted on 03/14/2013 10:41:34 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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spousal contracts = marriage

divorce = about marriage

marriage in not about mere religion

if you go down to your nearby staples / office depot / office max / or look online there are a plethora of “cohabitation agreements” which ARE enforcable under contract law.

civil unions = marriage


90 posted on 03/14/2013 12:15:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind
"How does the government administer laws like immigration, spousal contracts, divorce, social security, etc. if we do away with the recognition of marriage?"

Let's see allowing people into the country based on who they are married to? Yeah I am good with doing away with that one being its abused regularly.

Spousal Contracts is easy. You want to decide who gets what when someone dies its called a will, who gets the children note it in the will. easy peasy japaneezy

Divorce as far as the financial part is covered with a legal document now and still can be. In fact it should be a standard 50-50 split so the lawyers can't bleed the clients dry.

Social Security is in trouble anyway. It needs revamped and this is a good way to start. grandfather in everyone who is already getting it and from now on there are no automatic spousal goodies. a survivor can be designated but at a greatly reduced rate and keep the standard kids bennies till 18 (but I am willing to bet for SS to stay solvent this is gonna have to go too!)

99 posted on 03/14/2013 2:45:22 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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