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New Pope One of 'God's Marines'
Fairfax Media ^ | March 13 2013 | staff

Posted on 03/13/2013 2:20:35 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

One of "God's Marines" is now Pope, with Argentine Jorge Mario Bergoglio today becoming the first Jesuit elected to lead the world's Catholics.

Jesuits are labelled "God's Marines" or Catholic ''storm troopers'', in recognition of their 16th-century founder Ignatius of Loyola, who had a military background.

The Society of Jesus (more commonly known as Jesuits) demands four vows: poverty, chastity, obedience to Christ, and obedience to the Pope.

Its purpose is the propagation of the Catholic faith by any means possible.

A Spanish nobleman, Ignatius of Loyola was set on a career as a professional soldier, until a cannonball shattered one of his legs in 1521.

During his recovery he read religious books, fasted and prayed, then decided to become a soldier of Christ.

The Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims, then halting the spread of Protestantism.

With their military-style training, the Jesuits were feared as the "storm troopers" of the Roman Catholic Church, and led armies which recaptured large areas for it.

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1 posted on 03/13/2013 2:20:35 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“storm troopers”?

Man I hate the media.


2 posted on 03/13/2013 2:22:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I have the Fondest hope that one of his first moves is to go to Georgetown University and straighten up that mess.


3 posted on 03/13/2013 2:22:45 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: BenLurkin

The original storm troopers had nothing to do with atrocities. They were the specially trained infantry that almost won the war for the Germans in the first half of 1918. They were the German secret weapon to break the stalemate of trench warfare, as tanks were for the Allies.

Too bad the term got spoiled by the Nazis.


4 posted on 03/13/2013 2:24:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BarnacleCenturion
propagation of the Catholic faith by any means possible.

So... the Crusades are going to make a comeback?

5 posted on 03/13/2013 2:26:21 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

My wife, a Lutheran, was in tears when I got home. She had seen the uplifted faces of hope in the crowd and, as she put it, “He didn’t say ‘Death to the Infidels’, not once”


6 posted on 03/13/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by plangent
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To: Izzy Dunne

Certainly hope so.......


7 posted on 03/13/2013 2:28:47 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: njslim

Does the Vatican have nuclear weapons?


8 posted on 03/13/2013 2:30:04 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Not yet.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 2:32:51 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims, then halting the spread of Protestantism.
They shouldn't have quit until they were done.
10 posted on 03/13/2013 2:33:24 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Two men considering a religious vocation were having a conversation. “What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders? “ the one asked.

The second replied, “Well, they were both founded by Spaniards — St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits. They were also both founded to combat heresy — the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants.”

“What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?”

“Met any Albigensians lately?”


11 posted on 03/13/2013 2:35:12 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Venturer

LOL! I was thinking the same thing.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 2:41:25 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
: poverty, chastity, obedience to Christ, and obedience to the Pope

"Our three, no, four weapons are: Poverty, Chastity, Obedience to God, and Obedience to the Pope."

13 posted on 03/13/2013 2:42:49 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

According to Business Insider:

“What His Election Would Mean: Social Justice moves to the front of the Church’s concerns. He’d also carry out a humble papacy. Say goodbye to Benedict’s ostentation in papal clothing.”

If true, just more socialism from the hallowed halls of the Vatican, we don’t need it. I hope BI is incorrect.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 2:43:44 PM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Jerry ‘Moonbeam’ Brown is a Jesuit.


15 posted on 03/13/2013 2:44:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

My wife (raised Baptist) asked me what the Jesuits were like. I gave her a sports analogy: The Jesuits are the Church’s Middle Linebackers.


16 posted on 03/13/2013 2:44:39 PM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Wordkraft

In recent decades the Jesuits have generally been leftist in political orientation.

Don’t know about that other type of orientation that keeps coming up.


17 posted on 03/13/2013 2:46:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: NormsRevenge

“Jerry ‘Moonbeam’ Brown is a Jesuit.”

He was educated by Jesuits. It didn’t take.
He certainly is not a Jesuit.


18 posted on 03/13/2013 2:47:02 PM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: izzatzo

He said that he rejected Liberation Theology back in the 70s, and has been critical of it.

Yes he is concerned about the poor and social justice, but he’s not the type that are closeted Marxists when they say the term.


19 posted on 03/13/2013 2:49:32 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Wordkraft

Thanks for that. agreed.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 3:03:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t be. Either you ARE a Jesuit, priestly vows and all (brain required...Jesuits are very very smart!) or you isn’t (moonbeam...moonbrain).


21 posted on 03/13/2013 3:07:51 PM PDT by blu
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To: blu

I got my undergraduate degree at a Jesuit university. I can vouch for the fact that the classes are *very* demanding at an intellectual level. I actually received a full academic scholarship, and of all of the schools to which I applied they had the most stringent requirements. A running gag we had was that a 3.0 at our university was worth a 3.8 at one of our neighboring rivals ;^)

I only encountered two leftist professors there and they were both lay teachers. All of the priests I had came off as very conservative. I think they get a bad rap with the leftist charge—it’s not so much a political bent as that they demand intellectual rigor and understanding in addition to faith. They won’t accept students’ taking the Church’s teachings only on faith: in my experience, Jesuits demand a deeper understanding of why the teachings are the way they are from both theological and philosophical standpoints, and that sometimes includes using contrast and juxtaposition with alternate belief systems. One way to look at it is that they want students to become “worldly” before tossing them into the outside world.


22 posted on 03/13/2013 3:17:44 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

God’s Marines.

I like the sound of that.

OOORAH, I hope he is the Jesuit version of Chesty Puller. Or at least R. Lee Ermey.

Give that Pope dude a Ma Deuce and turn ‘em loose on the rats.


23 posted on 03/13/2013 3:17:45 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: njslim

It didn’t work out so well with Galileo.

Perhaps the democrat party will milk the new Pope for their Social Justice they have forced upon us.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 3:44:21 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Windcatcher

I too went to a Jesuit college. I agree with your assessment. Some of the most difficult classes I ever attended. Slouch just even a teeny bit, you paid.

The non Jesuit instructors were lefties. The Jesuits were not. And they did treat us veterans well at a time when we were getting dumped on by everybody.


25 posted on 03/13/2013 3:52:21 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Shadow44

Still no Dominican pope.


26 posted on 03/13/2013 4:28:01 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Shadow44

Edit, I am wrong. There were two. Benedict XI and Pius V who excommunicated Elizabeth I.


27 posted on 03/13/2013 4:33:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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Totally anecdotal and coming from a former Episcopalian (left due to liberalism), not a big fan of Catholicism, married to a Catholic.

My wife, in-law’s, and I attended her Church one Sunday when a visiting Jesuit was filling in for the resident (uninspiring) Priest. His service and Homily was the most incredible I’ve experienced including my old Episcopalian Priest that I loved (prior to the liberal takeover). After the service I walked up to him and said, “I’m not a Catholic but here with my wife. If every Catholic Priest could preach like you just did, I’d convert instantly.” He asked my name, thanked me, and gave me a blessing. That guy could convince me to walk barefoot over broken glass happily. If the new Pope is a tenth of that Jesuit, the world is better for it.


28 posted on 03/13/2013 5:32:34 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The Jesuit Order 4th Degree ‘Blood Oath’

http://avenueoflight.com/2011/04/1089/


29 posted on 03/13/2013 5:52:08 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
"The Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims, then halting the spread of Protestantism."

Those worked out well... </SARCASM>

30 posted on 03/13/2013 9:11:02 PM PDT by TXnMA (REMEMBER the Alamo! REMEMBER Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Shadow44
From Wikipedia: Innocent III declared a crusade against Languedoc, offering the lands of the Cathar heretics to any French nobleman willing to take up arms. The violence led to France's acquisition of lands with closer linguistic, cultural, and political ties to Catalonia (see Occitan). The pope declared that all Albigenses "should be imprisoned and their property confiscated".

So it was more the opportunity for plunder than the ability to persuade that did the Albigensians (Cathar heretics) in and they sound like the good guys. How Christian?

31 posted on 03/14/2013 2:05:43 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: plangent

Me too!!!!!


32 posted on 03/14/2013 2:15:30 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: izzatzo

Please recognize that BI is a liberal rag in electronic form.


33 posted on 03/14/2013 2:19:57 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Tailback

I had the same experience as you!!! I pray this Pope is the same way...


34 posted on 03/14/2013 2:27:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Sherman Logan
Too bad the term got spoiled by the Nazis.

...and George Lucas

35 posted on 03/14/2013 3:00:52 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Sherman Logan

“They were the specially trained infantry that almost won the war for the Germans in the first half of 1918. They were the German secret weapon to break the stalemate of trench warfare, as tanks were for the Allies.”

That was after the ones from a long time ago, in a galaxy far away. The storm troopers of 1918 were a desperate play for field position before the weight of US intervention could be fully felt; in a country starving due to the blockade, dealing with an ammunition strike, the stormtroopers were given the best food and ammo to maintain an offensive that had little hope of success. As in the battle of the Bulge a quarter century later, there were simply not enough men or supplies, and the Germans feared moving the men from the Eastern Front (where Russia had surrendered a year earlier) because they had been radicalized by communists - at the time of the armistice there were still 1 million German troops in Russia.

The spring offensive was to bargain for a better truce, and it failed on all counts. You are right that its a shame the Nazis corrupted the term; Darth Vader redeemed it a bit.


36 posted on 03/14/2013 4:00:57 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Sherman Logan

He is an old school Jesuit, not part of the current liberal type.

Pro-life, against homosexual marriage and homosexual adoptions, against communism and marxism, and thinks social justice is more about being a good Christian and helping the poor rather than a basis for leftist economic theory.


37 posted on 03/14/2013 4:52:57 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Pope Pius V was a Dominican.


38 posted on 03/14/2013 5:00:38 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SVTCobra03

Yeah, there’s no such thing. Jesuits have no such oath and never did.


39 posted on 03/14/2013 5:01:58 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SVTCobra03
Yeah, a completely bogus anti-Catholic forgery debunked here.
40 posted on 03/14/2013 5:19:18 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: JCBreckenridge

It would start to get REALLY interesting if this new pope started an active policy of excommunicating pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians.


41 posted on 03/14/2013 5:24:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Shadow44

LOL. The Benedictans, Franciscans, Dominicans, and Jesuits were having a big meeting that went well into the middle of the night. Suddenly all the lights went out in the meeting room. The Benedictans immediately started chanting Psalms, the Franciscans took out their guitars and sang songs praising Creation, and the Dominicans began preaching about the metaphysics of light and darkness; meanwhile the Jesuits went to the basement, found the fuse box, and reset the breaker.


42 posted on 03/14/2013 5:30:54 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Shadow44
Alright - this one's my favorite:

A man has three sons who entered three different religious orders: the oldest became a Dominican, the second a Franciscan, and the youngest a Jesuit. On his deathbed, the father tells his sons, "I know you all have vows of poverty, but as a sign of your love for me, I want each of you to place one thousand dollars into my casket to be buried with me."

On the day of the funeral, the Dominican son steps up, places $1000 in the casket, and says, "This seems like a waste of money, since you can't take it with you, Dad. But with the special permission of my superiors, I'm doing as you requested, as a sign of my love."

Next, the Franciscan son approaches the casket and says, "You know I love you, Dad, but the needs of the poor are so great, I just can't let $1000 be buried with you. I hope you understand, now that you are in heaven. Please forgive me."

Finally, the Jesuit son comes forward and says to his brother, "Don't worry, Frank. I'll pay your share." Then he reaches into the casket, takes the cash left by his eldest brother, and puts in a check for $3000.

43 posted on 03/14/2013 5:38:55 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: icwhatudo

Well, I hope you’re right, but the Jesuits have been generally leftist for a good many decades now.


44 posted on 03/14/2013 5:49:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Don't kid yourself - there are plenty of liberal Jesuits, although the younger ones I've met have not only been brilliant (all the Jesuits are very smart) but quite orthodox. Several of my children have been Jesuit trained. A couple of my sons went to St. Joseph's Prep for high school. Several of them went to St. Joe's University, which was definitely the most orthodox of all the Jesuit places at which my kids have studied. My two daughters went to Boston College which had both liberal and conservative Jesuits, although the vast majority of the faculty were raging libs.

Unlike many Catholic my age, I can't say that Jesuit training is the best. We had some scary years with our daughters when we thought they were lost to the Faith forever. However, what I can say proudly is that all my Jesuit trained children are practing Catholics today.

45 posted on 03/14/2013 5:54:37 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

Good one.


46 posted on 03/14/2013 5:57:11 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“In Latin America, Jesuits have had significant influence in the development of liberation theology, which has been controversial with Catholic theologians.”

Controversial? It’s godless Marxism wrapped up in a Christian sounding veneer. Its what Jeremiah Wright espouses @ Trinity. Its Obama’s version of ‘Christianity’.

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm


47 posted on 03/14/2013 6:03:14 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: izzatzo; ColdOne; navymom1; Pat4ever; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; ...

izzatzo wrote:

“If true, just more socialism from the hallowed halls of the Vatican, we don’t need it. I hope BI is incorrect.”

The words have different meanings. Pope Francis has fought the socialist government of his former homeland tooth and nail. He has written that he believes “social justice” is an interior change of heart - a conversion of soul - that will lead to a change in the external. He is not talking politics or economics, he is talking about The Good News of the Gospel. IIRC. YMMV.


48 posted on 03/14/2013 6:10:28 AM PDT by narses
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To: LucianOfSamasota

“In Latin America, Jesuits have had significant influence in the development of liberation theology, which has been controversial with Catholic theologians.”

The Jesuits, indeed, were at the center of Liberation Theology in Latin America.

My recollection is that this caused the Pope at the time (~1970’s) to remove the Superior General of the Society of Jesus (Father Pedro Arrupe, and also to direct the Jesuits to correct their error and re-align their teachings about Social Justice (Social Justice means something very different in the context of Catholic theology than is does to the secular leftists).

I was subsequently told by a Jesuit theologian that I know that the Society of Jesus themselves asked the Pope to take these actions against Arrupe and the Liberation Theology proponents within their order.


49 posted on 03/14/2013 6:41:21 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: MrB
It would start to get REALLY interesting if this new pope started an active policy of excommunicating pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians

That would conflict with "social justice".

50 posted on 03/14/2013 7:06:09 AM PDT by ecomcon
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