Skip to comments.New Pope One of 'God's Marines'
Posted on 03/13/2013 2:20:35 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
One of "God's Marines" is now Pope, with Argentine Jorge Mario Bergoglio today becoming the first Jesuit elected to lead the world's Catholics.
Jesuits are labelled "God's Marines" or Catholic ''storm troopers'', in recognition of their 16th-century founder Ignatius of Loyola, who had a military background.
The Society of Jesus (more commonly known as Jesuits) demands four vows: poverty, chastity, obedience to Christ, and obedience to the Pope.
Its purpose is the propagation of the Catholic faith by any means possible.
A Spanish nobleman, Ignatius of Loyola was set on a career as a professional soldier, until a cannonball shattered one of his legs in 1521.
During his recovery he read religious books, fasted and prayed, then decided to become a soldier of Christ.
The Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims, then halting the spread of Protestantism.
With their military-style training, the Jesuits were feared as the "storm troopers" of the Roman Catholic Church, and led armies which recaptured large areas for it.
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Man I hate the media.
I have the Fondest hope that one of his first moves is to go to Georgetown University and straighten up that mess.
The original storm troopers had nothing to do with atrocities. They were the specially trained infantry that almost won the war for the Germans in the first half of 1918. They were the German secret weapon to break the stalemate of trench warfare, as tanks were for the Allies.
Too bad the term got spoiled by the Nazis.
So... the Crusades are going to make a comeback?
My wife, a Lutheran, was in tears when I got home. She had seen the uplifted faces of hope in the crowd and, as she put it, “He didn’t say ‘Death to the Infidels’, not once”
Certainly hope so.......
Does the Vatican have nuclear weapons?
The Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims,They shouldn't have quit until they were done.
then halting the spread of Protestantism.
Two men considering a religious vocation were having a conversation. “What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders? “ the one asked.
The second replied, “Well, they were both founded by Spaniards — St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits. They were also both founded to combat heresy — the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants.”
“What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?”
“Met any Albigensians lately?”
LOL! I was thinking the same thing.
"Our three, no, four weapons are: Poverty, Chastity, Obedience to God, and Obedience to the Pope."
According to Business Insider:
“What His Election Would Mean: Social Justice moves to the front of the Church’s concerns. He’d also carry out a humble papacy. Say goodbye to Benedict’s ostentation in papal clothing.”
If true, just more socialism from the hallowed halls of the Vatican, we don’t need it. I hope BI is incorrect.
Jerry ‘Moonbeam’ Brown is a Jesuit.
My wife (raised Baptist) asked me what the Jesuits were like. I gave her a sports analogy: The Jesuits are the Church’s Middle Linebackers.
In recent decades the Jesuits have generally been leftist in political orientation.
Don’t know about that other type of orientation that keeps coming up.
“Jerry Moonbeam Brown is a Jesuit.”
He was educated by Jesuits. It didn’t take.
He certainly is not a Jesuit.
He said that he rejected Liberation Theology back in the 70s, and has been critical of it.
Yes he is concerned about the poor and social justice, but he’s not the type that are closeted Marxists when they say the term.
Thanks for that. agreed.
Can’t be. Either you ARE a Jesuit, priestly vows and all (brain required...Jesuits are very very smart!) or you isn’t (moonbeam...moonbrain).
I got my undergraduate degree at a Jesuit university. I can vouch for the fact that the classes are *very* demanding at an intellectual level. I actually received a full academic scholarship, and of all of the schools to which I applied they had the most stringent requirements. A running gag we had was that a 3.0 at our university was worth a 3.8 at one of our neighboring rivals ;^)
I only encountered two leftist professors there and they were both lay teachers. All of the priests I had came off as very conservative. I think they get a bad rap with the leftist charge—it’s not so much a political bent as that they demand intellectual rigor and understanding in addition to faith. They won’t accept students’ taking the Church’s teachings only on faith: in my experience, Jesuits demand a deeper understanding of why the teachings are the way they are from both theological and philosophical standpoints, and that sometimes includes using contrast and juxtaposition with alternate belief systems. One way to look at it is that they want students to become “worldly” before tossing them into the outside world.
I like the sound of that.
OOORAH, I hope he is the Jesuit version of Chesty Puller. Or at least R. Lee Ermey.
Give that Pope dude a Ma Deuce and turn ‘em loose on the rats.
It didn’t work out so well with Galileo.
Perhaps the democrat party will milk the new Pope for their Social Justice they have forced upon us.
I too went to a Jesuit college. I agree with your assessment. Some of the most difficult classes I ever attended. Slouch just even a teeny bit, you paid.
The non Jesuit instructors were lefties. The Jesuits were not. And they did treat us veterans well at a time when we were getting dumped on by everybody.
Still no Dominican pope.
Edit, I am wrong. There were two. Benedict XI and Pius V who excommunicated Elizabeth I.
Totally anecdotal and coming from a former Episcopalian (left due to liberalism), not a big fan of Catholicism, married to a Catholic.
My wife, in-law’s, and I attended her Church one Sunday when a visiting Jesuit was filling in for the resident (uninspiring) Priest. His service and Homily was the most incredible I’ve experienced including my old Episcopalian Priest that I loved (prior to the liberal takeover). After the service I walked up to him and said, “I’m not a Catholic but here with my wife. If every Catholic Priest could preach like you just did, I’d convert instantly.” He asked my name, thanked me, and gave me a blessing. That guy could convince me to walk barefoot over broken glass happily. If the new Pope is a tenth of that Jesuit, the world is better for it.
The Jesuit Order 4th Degree Blood Oath
Those worked out well... </SARCASM>
So it was more the opportunity for plunder than the ability to persuade that did the Albigensians (Cathar heretics) in and they sound like the good guys. How Christian?
Please recognize that BI is a liberal rag in electronic form.
I had the same experience as you!!! I pray this Pope is the same way...
...and George Lucas
“They were the specially trained infantry that almost won the war for the Germans in the first half of 1918. They were the German secret weapon to break the stalemate of trench warfare, as tanks were for the Allies.”
That was after the ones from a long time ago, in a galaxy far away. The storm troopers of 1918 were a desperate play for field position before the weight of US intervention could be fully felt; in a country starving due to the blockade, dealing with an ammunition strike, the stormtroopers were given the best food and ammo to maintain an offensive that had little hope of success. As in the battle of the Bulge a quarter century later, there were simply not enough men or supplies, and the Germans feared moving the men from the Eastern Front (where Russia had surrendered a year earlier) because they had been radicalized by communists - at the time of the armistice there were still 1 million German troops in Russia.
The spring offensive was to bargain for a better truce, and it failed on all counts. You are right that its a shame the Nazis corrupted the term; Darth Vader redeemed it a bit.
He is an old school Jesuit, not part of the current liberal type.
Pro-life, against homosexual marriage and homosexual adoptions, against communism and marxism, and thinks social justice is more about being a good Christian and helping the poor rather than a basis for leftist economic theory.
Pope Pius V was a Dominican.
Yeah, there’s no such thing. Jesuits have no such oath and never did.
It would start to get REALLY interesting if this new pope started an active policy of excommunicating pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians.
LOL. The Benedictans, Franciscans, Dominicans, and Jesuits were having a big meeting that went well into the middle of the night. Suddenly all the lights went out in the meeting room. The Benedictans immediately started chanting Psalms, the Franciscans took out their guitars and sang songs praising Creation, and the Dominicans began preaching about the metaphysics of light and darkness; meanwhile the Jesuits went to the basement, found the fuse box, and reset the breaker.
A man has three sons who entered three different religious orders: the oldest became a Dominican, the second a Franciscan, and the youngest a Jesuit. On his deathbed, the father tells his sons, "I know you all have vows of poverty, but as a sign of your love for me, I want each of you to place one thousand dollars into my casket to be buried with me."
On the day of the funeral, the Dominican son steps up, places $1000 in the casket, and says, "This seems like a waste of money, since you can't take it with you, Dad. But with the special permission of my superiors, I'm doing as you requested, as a sign of my love."
Next, the Franciscan son approaches the casket and says, "You know I love you, Dad, but the needs of the poor are so great, I just can't let $1000 be buried with you. I hope you understand, now that you are in heaven. Please forgive me."
Finally, the Jesuit son comes forward and says to his brother, "Don't worry, Frank. I'll pay your share." Then he reaches into the casket, takes the cash left by his eldest brother, and puts in a check for $3000.
Well, I hope you’re right, but the Jesuits have been generally leftist for a good many decades now.
Unlike many Catholic my age, I can't say that Jesuit training is the best. We had some scary years with our daughters when we thought they were lost to the Faith forever. However, what I can say proudly is that all my Jesuit trained children are practing Catholics today.
“In Latin America, Jesuits have had significant influence in the development of liberation theology, which has been controversial with Catholic theologians.”
Controversial? It’s godless Marxism wrapped up in a Christian sounding veneer. Its what Jeremiah Wright espouses @ Trinity. Its Obama’s version of ‘Christianity’.
“If true, just more socialism from the hallowed halls of the Vatican, we dont need it. I hope BI is incorrect.”
The words have different meanings. Pope Francis has fought the socialist government of his former homeland tooth and nail. He has written that he believes “social justice” is an interior change of heart - a conversion of soul - that will lead to a change in the external. He is not talking politics or economics, he is talking about The Good News of the Gospel. IIRC. YMMV.
In Latin America, Jesuits have had significant influence in the development of liberation theology, which has been controversial with Catholic theologians.
The Jesuits, indeed, were at the center of Liberation Theology in Latin America.
My recollection is that this caused the Pope at the time (~1970’s) to remove the Superior General of the Society of Jesus (Father Pedro Arrupe, and also to direct the Jesuits to correct their error and re-align their teachings about Social Justice (Social Justice means something very different in the context of Catholic theology than is does to the secular leftists).
I was subsequently told by a Jesuit theologian that I know that the Society of Jesus themselves asked the Pope to take these actions against Arrupe and the Liberation Theology proponents within their order.
That would conflict with "social justice".