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To: WVKayaker
Guys, I kinda hate to point this out, being a rabid Evangelical and all... but prior to the Great Schism of the 11th century, the Catholic Church was the Church, and the Church was the Catholic Church.

So yeah. If not for the church, we would not have the Bible; this is not in doubt. That the church was Catholic at the time is not in doubt either.

6 posted on 03/10/2013 4:41:36 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Oberon; WVKayaker; FatherofFive

>> So yeah. If not for the church, we would not have the Bible; this is not in doubt.

Doubtful there’s any historical evidence, post Alexandria, to the contrary.


10 posted on 03/10/2013 5:07:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Oberon

Well put Oberon...I am Catholic and I get frustrated with all the ideas put out there that don’t jive with history....God Bless...


12 posted on 03/10/2013 5:14:04 AM PDT by bike800
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To: Oberon
So yeah. If not for the church, we would not have the Bible; this is not in doubt.

Yeah, God had nothing to do or say about it. He has no power to guide human hearts and minds. The Holy Spirit cannot possibly lead us to all Truth... /sarcasm!

I pray for those who think ANY church ORGANIZATION is the lead in this battle. Death is the only end possible of that, and death is eternal separation from God. That the RCC organization has endured through the years is only because of the indoctrination begun at birth. Beginning with infant baptism, and selling the idea that you can eat Jesus body and drink His blood, or asking His mom (Mary) for a little help in reaching Him. They only offer ritual and rote...

FRiends, the church is not an organization founded in Rome, nor Constantinople. The church is the body of believers, universal, that God has called to His bosom from time eternal. As to where our Scriptures come from, Paul wrote about it:

2 Timothy 3: 10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I don't see pederasts and perverts, concealed by the RC organization, as being the type of Christ a leader should be! The Roman Catholic Organization most likely the "Whore of Babylon" of which John Spoke (Rev 17:9)...

Woe comes to them...

13 posted on 03/10/2013 5:15:11 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("I've seen how nasty it can be for other conservatives as well. "-Sarah Palin 12/17/12)
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