Skip to comments.Ammo Shortages: More Than Simple Supply and Demand?
Posted on 03/08/2013 5:58:31 AM PST by EXCH54FE
Certainly there are those who see a conspiracy behind every tree, none more so perhaps than Mac Slavo. Writing for his inelegantly named SHTF Plan, he points out that since President Obama was first elected in 2008, Americans have purchased more than 65 million guns, which averages one new gun purchase every 1.5 seconds. Says Slavo, this suggests there is much more than just people stocking up to go hunting or sports shooting. And then, without providing sources, Slavo ticks off the statistics: Smith and Wesson is running at full capacity, Ruger is ramping up production to meet demand, Armalite is maxed out, Colt is increasing its production runs, Springfield Armory is running 30-45 days behind, while Magpul is behind 1 MILLION (his bold) mags. Do not expect any large quantities anytime soon.
If the information you hear doesn't originate from Hornady Manufacturing, dont believe it.
Here are some of rumors we've heard, and questions we've received:
Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?
◦Not at all.
Did you stop selling bullets so you could only make loaded ammunition?
Since we cant find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
◦Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.
Why cant you make more? Ramp up production? Turn on all the machines?
◦ We've been steadily growing our production for a long time, especially the last five years. We've added presses, lathes, CNC equipment, people and space. Many popular items are produced 24 hours a day.
We are producing as much as we can; much more than last year, which was a lot more than the year before, etc. No one wants to ship more during this time than we do.
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Do you know why IMR powder cannot be found anywhere?? IMR 4895, 3031, and 4064 are “on backorder” at every supplier I have checked!
I can believe 223 and 308 ammo being in short supply, but 22?? Somebody would have to convince me that the govt. isn’t involved in this.
“New American” has a nice progressive sound to it...
It’s because of the middleman trade that has sprung up.
Go to Wal-Mart at 4-5AM, buy 15 boxes of TULA 7.62X39 for $5 each.
Sell at the local gun store for $8 a box.
The gun store sells it for $10 a box.
Make $45 for a short car trip.
From gun broker, it looks like 7.62X39 is selling for around 40 cents a round.
I could probably spare some at that price.
Where I am located the ONLY business that gets sporadic low quantity shipments of .22 LR or WMR is Wallyworld.When word gets out it vanishes in less than 2 hrs.Even .22 short is getting hard to find.
.556 and .223 shipments seemed to have dried up.
I would like to know HOW all these sellers on Gunbroker are able to procure thousands of rounds of these calibers.They are jacking up the prices 3-400 % and people are scopping it all up.
I purchased thousands of rounds of .22 last summer. Previously, I had never had more than 500 rds on hand. I presume many people are like minded, with many late to teh party.
People purchase what they can shoot. When other calibers became unavailable or unaffordable, people began buying what they could. The last ammo on the shelves was primarily bird shot and .22LR, now that is gone.
There are many SHTF and urban combat situations where I would opt for a .22 over all others. And if you can only afford $20 of ammo, you can shoot a lot more times with a .22LR.
Ok, lets say all of those new gun owners bought 100 rounds, (I'm sure many bought a lot more, but 100 is probably a good round number for the average gun buyer that wants some practice ammo and a box or two around the house). That 6.5 BILLION rounds! And that is only on the guns bought since 2008, the other 250 million guns in private hands need ammo as well. No wonder they can't keep up with demand....
22LR I can believe, but 9x18 there isn’t a hugh number of us shooting it.
I think there is gov involvement. When the gov started placing 5 year contracts on ammunition versus year over year, it causes bottlenecks in the system as the manufacturers have to set aside x percent to be able to fulfill those contracts if needed. That may not directly impact Hornaday as it seems to have small contracts, but it would impact suppliers of things like primers.
The Latest Proposed Gun Control Bill Out of Florida May Be the Most Ridiculous Yet
Mar. 6, 2013 6:30pm Jason Howerton
If a Florida Democrat has her way, anyone who tries to buy ammunition will have to first complete an anger management program. Critics are slamming the bill as a ridiculous and unconstitutional proposal to deal with gun violence.
Florida state Sen. Audrey Gibson (D-Jacksonville) introduced the bill on Saturday, which stipulates ammunition purchasers must go through a three-day waiting period to buy any ammo if they have not completed anger management courses. The bill would mandate that ammo buyers take the anger management course every 10 years.
A lot had large amount in stock and saw the writing on the wall so they waited until peak pricing opportunities. Kind of like the guy up in Arkansas who back in November, took a second mortgage on his house and bought $220K worth of ARs in which he could probably sell for $750K now.
I tried to find some 45-70 a few months ago and it was all gone. The shop said some of the boxes have been sitting on his shelves for years collecting dust and they even sold out.
The only thing I’ve consistently been able to find is shotgun shells. Even the odd sizes are all sold out here.
How about democrats not be allowed to vote until they take anger management courses?
In the meantime, ATK has received a letter from the government saying that gov’t orders MUST be filled first. Sales to the private markets only can happen after the gov’t orders are filled...and the gov’t is ordering a LOT.
Wallyworld has raised the 100 ct. box of clay loads from $20.97 to $ 26.97.
When I got down to 350 rounds I stopped shooting my Makarov. Funny thing is a couple of years ago I got my wife a 380 and couldn't find any ammunition. Now it easy to find. Go figure.
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