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DHS built domestic surveillance tech into Predator drones
CNET ^ | March 2, 2013 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 03/02/2013 6:09:55 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

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To: Vince Ferrer
One of the things that many here won't believe is that these aircraft still have to be operated within the laws of this country, when operated inside the United States. The case precedence is very clear on the use of airborne assets and sensors when it applies to private property. There are also a lot of restrictions on the use of ELINT equipment inside the U.S. The key is that platforms used by CBP operate right on the border and look over the line where they can use that equipment.

Much of the language that causes concern is written by people trying to inflate their own importance. The CBP Predator program in reality is a failure. It sucks funds away from things that work into a capability that is seldom used and is locked on limited tracks allowed by the FAA. The contract with General Atomics is practically criminal in its lack of accountability. Several years ago a Predator being flown by General Atomics contract pilots was crashed due to gross incompetence and negligence. Because of the way the contract is written, CBP still pays an outrageous amount of money every year, to General Atomics, for Ku band time on that aircraft that is now in the trash heap.

CBP Air would be a lot better off with a mid size turbine airplane capable of carrying the same sensors for a lot less money. You could buy several of these for the cost of the Predator and use the same crews to fly those aircraft. The advantage would be cost, a lower mishap rate, and CBP could operate it anywhere in the U.S. without a permission slip from the FAA.

The only capability the Predator has brought to its limited operating area has been VADER, an MTI radar capable of detecting and tracking groups on foot. Then again that could have been bought for a manned aircraft.

21 posted on 03/02/2013 7:09:32 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Paladin2
can't... that's the only way to stop them from tracking you
22 posted on 03/02/2013 7:49:08 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Vince Ferrer

It also tells you that the Sec of DHS has a limp dick.


23 posted on 03/02/2013 8:06:30 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Vince Ferrer; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

24 posted on 03/02/2013 8:46:20 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Vince Ferrer; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

25 posted on 03/02/2013 8:47:22 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: omega4179
So your Cell phone gets you to pay for #obamaphone and its a targeting and tracking device for Big Sis all for the privilege of paying $100 a month to Verizon.

It's not the country we loved ...

Soon we won't have to worry about people coming here to be free. We won't be free.

Our biggest concern will be can we leave... and will Canada take us in...

26 posted on 03/02/2013 9:00:13 PM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own one's risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: USNBandit

Regulations don’t mean anything if the people who are supposed to enforce the regulations are lawless thugs just like the foreign enemy combatant who appointed them to that position.

Right now “the enemy is in the building”. Laws/regulations/Constitution no longer matter, because the only ones allowed to guard the henhouse are all foxes.


27 posted on 03/02/2013 9:47:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: null and void

I want my country back. Spineless GOP, sycophantic dimorats, and a dictator in chief........the insanity continues


28 posted on 03/02/2013 10:21:27 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Vince Ferrer

“In the border area of California and Arizona, it may be actively dangerous for the law-abiding to not carry firearms precisely due to the illegal flow of drugs and immigrants across the border in those areas,...”

How about on the streets of any big US city?


29 posted on 03/02/2013 11:06:35 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Paladin2

That was my question, too. What about tracking just the SIM card? Can they do that wo/ the battery activated?


30 posted on 03/03/2013 4:19:14 AM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: USNBandit

Somehow I am not comforted. If anyone thinks the only danger is from Obama, or the left, they are mistaken.


31 posted on 03/03/2013 5:28:18 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

and you would be correct on that...all the way back to when someone has the asshat idea of a Patriot Act which came under the GOP. Some like Rush have it right, it is the ruling political class, not party, that is at odds with us the serfs. Soon they will be in complete control with no ability to get them out, at least that is what they think.

Someone here pointed out weeks ago, during its high point, the provos in the IRA had no more than 100 members yet managed to keep an entire nation at bay for over 50 years. It is just a matter of commitment to a cause, hopefully the flame of freedom stays kindled in the USA.


32 posted on 03/03/2013 5:35:28 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: omega4179

So, when do we start blackmarketing for obamaphones? The jackboots wouldn’t track their own free phones, right?


33 posted on 03/03/2013 5:39:21 AM PST by bgill
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To: Paladin2
How do they track cell phones with the battery removed?/i>

Latest technology probably puts self-contained trackers in all cell phone batteries.....Wouldn't put it past them - might explain why the batteries cost so damn much.

34 posted on 03/03/2013 5:49:09 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“...the agency notes on its Web site that its Predator B series is capable of ‘targeting and weapons delivery’”

All it takes is a secret or “emergency” presidential directive to arm the “capable” drones, such as allowing the Secret Service to use armed drones to protect POTUS or deal with an emergent domestic terror situation like the DC sniper.

I have seen nothing to preclude that from having happened already and drones have already been spotted near POTUS appearances.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 6:20:13 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: USNBandit

Your argument is from the perspective and standpoint of a civilized government. In those cases, the pen is mightier than the sword. However those who now occupy positions of power are anything but civilized. Who ever said the pen was mightier than the sword, obviously never met the sword, or if they did it was too late to warn everyone of their egregious mistake.


36 posted on 03/03/2013 6:26:21 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: darkwing104
NO ONE NEEDS A 4 SAM MOBILE BATTERY TO KILL A DEEEEEEEEEER!!

:O)

37 posted on 03/03/2013 6:26:21 AM PST by mykroar (Sig is pending a Conservative party.)
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To: James C. Bennett

One problem with your line of thinking, James: these are not autonomous flight platforms. They require a joystick jockey to keep them going. All it takes is some good intel on where in the wilderness the flight radio shack is located, some ingenuity, a pack of pissed off patriots, and you can take over those drones for your own purposes or at least make the control of those devices quite perilous for those who wish to do the job.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 6:33:42 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Mouton

The problem with the IRA is that it was supported via indirect routes by the Soviet Union and other means. They did not live in a vacuum nor do most guerrilla type movements.


39 posted on 03/03/2013 6:36:22 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: darkwing104

Don’t forget the radar units, else the launch platform pictured will do nothing.


40 posted on 03/03/2013 6:43:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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