[palmer]

Increasingly we are spending a higher percentage of the energy we get in the extraction of that energy

You are talking about windmills? High EROEI for wind is BS. Forget EROEI and look at price per kWh with and without subsidies and gas, oil and coal all win hands down.

[Lorianne]

I agree gas coal and oil win (with and without subsidies, which by the way there should be no subsidies).

However, the EROEI is constantly getting smaller and particularly with tar sands, it’s ridiculously small, even with lots of subsidies.

Thus Keystone is not economically viable because what it will be carrying is not economically viable