Skip to comments.Would New Gun Laws Spark Widespread Civil Disobedience?
Posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:01 AM PST by EXCH54FE
his State of the Union address, President Obama doubled down on his gun-control proposals, again demanding that Congress ban so-called assault weapons and high capacity magazines. This is not a surprise. What has been a surprise are the increasingly open calls for defiance from gun owners, state legislatures, and local law enforcement. If the presidents proposals become law, he may move the country into turbulent waters we havent seen in many years.
Gun control has long been a controversial issue in American politics. However, there are three aspects to this issue that make this more volatile than other hot topics such as taxes, foreign policy, or abortion:
1) The strongest advocates of each side hold fundamentally irreconcilable positions.
On one hand, committed gun-control advocates say: No one should be allowed to own certain weapons. On the other hand, equally committed gun-rights advocates say: No way in hell are we giving up these weapons.
2) Ordinary Americans have declared their willingness to disobey the law.
New York state has already passed laws similar to Obamas proposals. Gun owners there are now organizing a campaign of open civil disobedience, daring state officials to come and take their rifles. State officials already acknowledge that they will be unable to enforce the new law.
3) Local law enforcement officials and state governments have also vowed civil disobedience.
Over 280 sheriffs and eight state sheriffs associations have vowed to protect citizens Second Amendment rights against new gun laws.
The Utah Sheriffs Association used unusually strong language:
We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.
Similarly, several state legislatures are considering laws to stop federal officials from enforcing new gun laws
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Yeah, like 200+ years.
Indeed, widespread civil disobedience will be the test for survival of the nation.
If the president doesn’t respect the law, people are beginning to ask themselves “why the hell should I?”
Both Obama and Holder have stated publicly that they will not enforce certain laws.
Sheeeese, we’re becoming a land of scofflaws.
Anti-gun laws will be treated the same way Gov. Brown treated Prop. 8, or the way Obama treated DOMA. Brown/Bama set the standard for treating laws they don’t like.
Simply Ignore them.
Just remember guys/girls Demorats/Rino’s running for reelection in 2014 we have to hold their feet to the fire if we hope to change things. I’m not giving up my AR for nobody.
Well our local sheriff, here in Alabama, is a dimwit. I have known him since we were kids. He is an big hunger. Goes to Alaska and such places too hunt. But, I can guarantee you, if he could take all our guns, he would. We have had words over it and he ain’t happy with what people around here are telling him. He wants our guns, so he can kiss Obama’s butt (he has been to the WH and met with Obama recently with other sheriffs, etc.) and he wants to toe the party line. Mostly, he is a lying hypocrite who lies to cover his lies. I don’t vote for him. I hope this election, since the entire county government and most of Alabama’s government is republican, we can get rid of his lying behind.
There is another factor in the issue that has emerged over the last 5 years.
Guns, especially quality guns or particular types of guns, are increasing in value, and are therefore an appreciating asset in the hands of their owners.
This creates an incentive on the part of the owner to hold onto his assets and protect them. It makes government one stink more odious than before, and inclines the people to be non-compliant.
All of this suggests that government no longer serves the people, and is no longer neutral toward the people.
duh. Hunger is hunter. My bad.
We have more laws than one individual can know.
We need a comprehensive, common sense reform of all laws and gov't regulations.
>>Would New Gun Laws Spark Widespread Civil Disobedience
I seriously doubt it - for all the tough talk, 99.99% of the people when faced with the option of obeying the (illegal) laws, or having some sort of confrontation with a government hell-bent on taking away their rights, will rollover in 30 seconds or less and go back to the couch, eating Doritos, drinking their 2-Liter bottles of soda and watching mindless drivel on TV.
There will be some whack-job that will have a shoot-out with the cops, get killed and will immediately be labeled a poster-boy for the Tea-party or NRA by the complicit media.
We have become a nation of sheep, and there is no going back. The fight has been fought - we lost.
“Well our local sheriff, here in Alabama, is a dimwit.”
I believe that a “country sheriff” is the highest level of “elected” law enforcements. In many ways, the county sheriffs are the most powerful, within their jurisdictions, of any law enforcement.
Seems that this leve either has the very best of officials or the very worst. Yours appears to be an example of the worst.
Hopefull, the good people of your country will peacefully depose this petty tyrant in the next election.
Resistance to a enemy of the constitution is not “disobedience”, it is civic duty.
You just put the cart before the horse.
Obama WANTS civil disobedience to his gun laws if passed...If it is intense enough, he will call for martial law and invite UN troops in...All this in order to bypass the 2016 election and stay in office and in control....
“We have become a nation of sheep, and there is no going back. The fight has been fought - we lost.”
I agree with your first statement that we have become sheep...I know that in regards to firearms, I know I am not willing to die to make a point. However, I disagree with you that the fight has been lost. When we can no longer vote, then the fight will have been totally lost. Until then we can throw the numbskulls out of office....and that doesn’t require killing or being killed.
Well, the nation survived 15 years of widespread civil disobedience while the 18th amendment was in effect, and it was finally ended legally. I’m hopeful that we will get through this too.
1 Disarm your enemy.
2 Enslave your enemy.
When the vote is fraudulent and elections are stolen, then what is your direction???
If you aren’t willing to die for your freedom, then you are already lost....
Deny. Defy. Do Not Comply.
Instead of taking this approach, let us start discussing how a Constitutional Convention would repair the relationship between the people and the government. Even the discussion will drive the left (er, now “progressive”) nuts because it is a far greater threat to their power and their agenda than anyone in the “molon labe” crowd would ever be.
State resistance to rogue post-constitutional federal government: the last best hope
We simply need One Law to Rule Them All:
“The Federal government shall leave the States and the People the f*** alone.”
Madison, bless his heart, was simply not cynical enough about human nature.
RANT ON .... The majority of Americans (an overwhelming majority are law-abiding) and desire not this cup to be placed before them. Given the demographics of America, obama would be ignorant (a kind word for what am thinking) to attempt to start a war between the law-abiding Constitutional and God Given Rights Advocates verses the anti-constitution crowd. If I were in a position of power, I would ask our Navy to guard our shores, for there is a matter of Constitutional and God Given Rights to be decided, and then I would pray. Then I would hold onto my protection and my family and ask for God’s Mercy, as never before, and pray this cup from which I and my family are being forced to drink be removed. If my prayers went unheard, may God help me and mine for I will not surrender my protection for myself or my family. History has taught me well enough to know, if I give up my protection, I am defenseless against tyranny. Only a fool would want to test America in this manner. Should obama and the anti-constitutional crowd be fools, so be it. RANT OFF
lol — true
Yep, had had that wacko Dorner not write that manifesto claiming his liberal allegiance he could have easily been the poster boy you mention.
Too bad more here don't see that instead of having knee jerk reactions to those of us questioning police tactics..
Would the well-trained sheep stop baaaing and assert their rights?
We can't get the Government to abide by the Constitution we have now, what good would a CC be?
When socfflaws are banned ...only outlaws will be scofflaws.
“Well, the nation survived 15 years of widespread civil disobedience while the 18th amendment was in effect, and it was finally ended legally. Im hopeful that we will get through this too.”
Your dreaming if you think that will happen. This will not end peacefully or “legally” ... only in bloodshed and hopefully with amerika divided into two countries ... a free state and they can have the slave state.
“he will call for martial law and invite UN troops in”
That won’t help him at all. They’d be outgunned, outmanned, on foreign territory, and undertrained. Further, after exercising their ‘rape right’ a couple of times, they’d all be found hanged from utility poles.
It's a life lesson.
>>However, I disagree with you that the fight has been lost. When we can no longer vote, then the fight will have been totally lost. Until then we can throw the numskulls out of office....and that doesn’t require killing or being killed.
I honestly hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. We have reached the tipping point, more ‘takers’ than ‘makers’, and politicians of both parties that do nothing but pass laws each and every day to make us less free. When you have a lock on more than 50% of the vote, by promising free stuff and making someone else pay for everything, you can pretty much stay in power for ever and count on the unequivocal support of the takers.
Story, after story every single day about how our rights are being eroded, all in the name of ‘national security’ and no matter how egregious the government behaves, you can still count on huge number of people getting on board.
There was a survey done (can’t find link) that determined that nearly 1 out of 3 Americans would accept a body cavity search as a pre-condition to getting on a plane - if that is indeed true, then there is NO hope for this country. If 1 out of 3 people are willing to have a TSA agent stick his finder where the sun doesn’t shine as a condition of getting on a plane, how is it even possible that we can find 51% of the people that are unwilling to give up their guns?
qwerty...no disrespect to you as I agree that many in this country have become sheep...however, as someone more insightful than me once said “soldiers, (or militia, or partisans), don’t fight because the hate who is in front of them, but because they love those who are behind them.”
This whole gun control debate isn’t about guns, isn’t about black metal and plastic objects(firearms), it’s about a free people’s ability to protect themselves and those they love standing behind them from those in front of them who want our guns so they can do things to us that they can only do if we’re unarmed.
I’m not a kook, I’m not an arm chair commando, I’m not even particularly brave...but I, along with millions of others will not consent to become slaves either.
Thank You for speaking truth to adversity.
“The fight has been fought - we lost.”
Well, the proof is in the pudding, and the first armed shootout over the Second Amendment where LEOs come to take legally owned guns just because the law changed, hasn’t happened - yet.
And when it does, it will be The Shot Heard Round the World, II.
Consider this: the recent meteorite explosion in Russia was recorded on dashcams mounted in private automobles. Russian drivers have to deal with corrupt Russian police, and dashcams are their defense to record evidence of shakedowns or other malfeasance.
How many Americans have mounted dashcams due to fear of police brutality on our streets & highways? Very few, because most of us do not yet fear the police as unaccountable. But that’s changing and when/if police are sent to confiscate citizens’ guns, these incidents will be recorded, go viral, and start a revolution.
“But, I can guarantee you, if he could take all our guns, he would.”
And people will take note of this, and when the SHTF, this man will be unable to walk the streets in your area, and if he does, he will quickly realize the folly of both his perceived power and his stated positions on the matter heretofore.
Yes, let them tell us what they think, it helps us to identify them and to form an appropriate response when the time arrives.
>>Very few, because most of us do not yet fear the police as unaccountable
The police already are unaccountable in almost all cases - no matter what they do, even when its caught on film. You can read stories every single day where the cops literally, and figuratively, get away with murder day, after day after day.
I know folks behind enemy lines in NY. They have no plans on complying. The form of their disobedience is kinda up to the State at this point.
I’m in Mn. They pass this crap here... My “disobedience” may be a bit more active than they’d like.
Well said. The roast is done - actually pretty crispy. The only question now is how many people will refuse to eat it???
People like Sol Veritas, (not necessarily Sol per se), are the ones cokmprising that 1 out of 3 group that defy rational explanation of their beliefs and activities.
I'm old. When I look back over my life, the things I regret most are those times when I failed to do what was right.
If I should happen to live another 20 years I could not live with the knowledge that when the time came to fight I did nothing, and in consequence my children and grandchildren lost their rights.
It isn’t the cops we’ll be fighting. It’s those giving the illegal orders.
Cogitate on that for a while before you spout one more bit of cowardly idiocy...
Whew we ... another cart before the horse moment there liberal.
We seem to have a big problem with our Alabama state legislators!
Check out this link:
We have a weapon more powerful than any in the whole arsenal of the British Empire! That weapon is our refusal! - Michael Collins
Non-violent civil disobedience is the answer ... liberal elites don't have enough jails to house the half of American citizens who own guns - OR believe in the Constitution OR both... And if they think they do, let them try...