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Would New Gun Laws Spark Widespread Civil Disobedience?
PJ Media ^ | Feb 17, 2013 | Paul Hsieh

Posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:01 AM PST by EXCH54FE

his State of the Union address, President Obama doubled down on his gun-control proposals, again demanding that Congress ban so-called “assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines.” This is not a surprise. What has been a surprise are the increasingly open calls for defiance from gun owners, state legislatures, and local law enforcement. If the president’s proposals become law, he may move the country into turbulent waters we haven’t seen in many years.

Gun control has long been a controversial issue in American politics. However, there are three aspects to this issue that make this more volatile than other hot topics such as taxes, foreign policy, or abortion:

1) The strongest advocates of each side hold fundamentally irreconcilable positions.

On one hand, committed gun-control advocates say: “No one should be allowed to own certain weapons.” On the other hand, equally committed gun-rights advocates say: “No way in hell are we giving up these weapons.”

2) Ordinary Americans have declared their willingness to disobey the law.

New York state has already passed laws similar to Obama’s proposals. Gun owners there are now organizing a campaign of open civil disobedience, daring state officials to “come and take” their rifles. State officials already acknowledge that they will be unable to enforce the new law.

3) Local law enforcement officials and state governments have also vowed civil disobedience.

Over 280 sheriffs and eight state sheriffs’ associations have vowed to protect citizens’ Second Amendment rights against new gun laws.

The Utah Sheriffs’ Association used unusually strong language:

We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.

Similarly, several state legislatures are considering laws to stop federal officials from enforcing new gun laws

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In the worst case, we could see clashes between armed law enforcement officials at different levels of government, each regarding themselves duty-bound to enforce their respective understandings of the Constitution. Wide swaths of the country would likely thumb their noses at the central authorities — and get away with it.
1 posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:06 AM PST by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Yes. Emphatically.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 7:16:13 AM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: EXCH54FE
If the president’s proposals become law, he may move the country into turbulent waters we haven’t seen in many years.

Yeah, like 200+ years.

3 posted on 02/17/2013 7:18:04 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Indeed, widespread civil disobedience will be the test for survival of the nation.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 7:19:11 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: EXCH54FE

If the president doesn’t respect the law, people are beginning to ask themselves “why the hell should I?”

Both Obama and Holder have stated publicly that they will not enforce certain laws.

Sheeeese, we’re becoming a land of scofflaws.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 7:20:03 AM PST by jakota (jakota)
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To: EXCH54FE

Anti-gun laws will be treated the same way Gov. Brown treated Prop. 8, or the way Obama treated DOMA. Brown/Bama set the standard for treating laws they don’t like.

Simply Ignore them.


6 posted on 02/17/2013 7:22:26 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: EXCH54FE

Just remember guys/girls Demorats/Rino’s running for reelection in 2014 we have to hold their feet to the fire if we hope to change things. I’m not giving up my AR for nobody.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 7:23:03 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: EXCH54FE

Well our local sheriff, here in Alabama, is a dimwit. I have known him since we were kids. He is an big hunger. Goes to Alaska and such places too hunt. But, I can guarantee you, if he could take all our guns, he would. We have had words over it and he ain’t happy with what people around here are telling him. He wants our guns, so he can kiss Obama’s butt (he has been to the WH and met with Obama recently with other sheriffs, etc.) and he wants to toe the party line. Mostly, he is a lying hypocrite who lies to cover his lies. I don’t vote for him. I hope this election, since the entire county government and most of Alabama’s government is republican, we can get rid of his lying behind.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 7:23:44 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

There is another factor in the issue that has emerged over the last 5 years.

Guns, especially quality guns or particular types of guns, are increasing in value, and are therefore an appreciating asset in the hands of their owners.

This creates an incentive on the part of the owner to hold onto his assets and protect them. It makes government one stink more odious than before, and inclines the people to be non-compliant.

All of this suggests that government no longer serves the people, and is no longer neutral toward the people.


9 posted on 02/17/2013 7:24:26 AM PST by lurk
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To: RetiredArmy

duh. Hunger is hunter. My bad.


10 posted on 02/17/2013 7:24:38 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: EXCH54FE
No sane person would want a conflict between Constitutionally Protected and God Given Rights Advocates and those from the other side. Our nation would be torn asunder. The anti-rights advocates are constantly seeking not only control of people to determine their fates but also seek to institute control over their children. As for me and my children, we shall praise the Lord and pass the ammunition should that point of no choice and that cup from which to drink be forced upon us.
11 posted on 02/17/2013 7:25:32 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: jakota
"Sheeeese, we’re becoming a land of scofflaws."

We have more laws than one individual can know.

We need a comprehensive, common sense reform of all laws and gov't regulations.

12 posted on 02/17/2013 7:26:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: RetiredArmy

>>Would New Gun Laws Spark Widespread Civil Disobedience

I seriously doubt it - for all the tough talk, 99.99% of the people when faced with the option of obeying the (illegal) laws, or having some sort of confrontation with a government hell-bent on taking away their rights, will rollover in 30 seconds or less and go back to the couch, eating Doritos, drinking their 2-Liter bottles of soda and watching mindless drivel on TV.

There will be some whack-job that will have a shoot-out with the cops, get killed and will immediately be labeled a poster-boy for the Tea-party or NRA by the complicit media.

We have become a nation of sheep, and there is no going back. The fight has been fought - we lost.


13 posted on 02/17/2013 7:31:39 AM PST by qwerty1234
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To: RetiredArmy

“Well our local sheriff, here in Alabama, is a dimwit.”

I believe that a “country sheriff” is the highest level of “elected” law enforcements. In many ways, the county sheriffs are the most powerful, within their jurisdictions, of any law enforcement.

Seems that this leve either has the very best of officials or the very worst. Yours appears to be an example of the worst.

Hopefull, the good people of your country will peacefully depose this petty tyrant in the next election.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 7:31:42 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: EXCH54FE

Resistance to a enemy of the constitution is not “disobedience”, it is civic duty.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 7:32:05 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: qwerty1234

You just put the cart before the horse.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 7:34:04 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: All

Obama WANTS civil disobedience to his gun laws if passed...If it is intense enough, he will call for martial law and invite UN troops in...All this in order to bypass the 2016 election and stay in office and in control....


17 posted on 02/17/2013 7:35:54 AM PST by JW1949
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To: qwerty1234

“We have become a nation of sheep, and there is no going back. The fight has been fought - we lost.”

I agree with your first statement that we have become sheep...I know that in regards to firearms, I know I am not willing to die to make a point. However, I disagree with you that the fight has been lost. When we can no longer vote, then the fight will have been totally lost. Until then we can throw the numbskulls out of office....and that doesn’t require killing or being killed.


18 posted on 02/17/2013 7:37:47 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: EXCH54FE

Well, the nation survived 15 years of widespread civil disobedience while the 18th amendment was in effect, and it was finally ended legally. I’m hopeful that we will get through this too.


19 posted on 02/17/2013 7:44:45 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: EXCH54FE
What's new about these so called laws?

1 Disarm your enemy.

2 Enslave your enemy.

20 posted on 02/17/2013 7:45:30 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Sola Veritas

When the vote is fraudulent and elections are stolen, then what is your direction???

If you aren’t willing to die for your freedom, then you are already lost....


21 posted on 02/17/2013 7:46:57 AM PST by JW1949
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To: EXCH54FE

Deny. Defy. Do Not Comply.


22 posted on 02/17/2013 7:47:05 AM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Instead of taking this approach, let us start discussing how a Constitutional Convention would repair the relationship between the people and the government. Even the discussion will drive the left (er, now “progressive”) nuts because it is a far greater threat to their power and their agenda than anyone in the “molon labe” crowd would ever be.

see also:

State resistance to rogue post-constitutional federal government: the last best hope
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=47194


23 posted on 02/17/2013 7:47:05 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Paladin2

We simply need One Law to Rule Them All:

“The Federal government shall leave the States and the People the f*** alone.”

Madison, bless his heart, was simply not cynical enough about human nature.


24 posted on 02/17/2013 7:47:13 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: JW1949; everyone

RANT ON .... The majority of Americans (an overwhelming majority are law-abiding) and desire not this cup to be placed before them. Given the demographics of America, obama would be ignorant (a kind word for what am thinking) to attempt to start a war between the law-abiding Constitutional and God Given Rights Advocates verses the anti-constitution crowd. If I were in a position of power, I would ask our Navy to guard our shores, for there is a matter of Constitutional and God Given Rights to be decided, and then I would pray. Then I would hold onto my protection and my family and ask for God’s Mercy, as never before, and pray this cup from which I and my family are being forced to drink be removed. If my prayers went unheard, may God help me and mine for I will not surrender my protection for myself or my family. History has taught me well enough to know, if I give up my protection, I am defenseless against tyranny. Only a fool would want to test America in this manner. Should obama and the anti-constitutional crowd be fools, so be it. RANT OFF


25 posted on 02/17/2013 7:47:46 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: dagogo redux

lol — true


26 posted on 02/17/2013 7:48:51 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: qwerty1234
There will be some whack-job that will have a shoot-out with the cops, get killed and will immediately be labeled a poster-boy for the Tea-party or NRA by the complicit media.

Yep, had had that wacko Dorner not write that manifesto claiming his liberal allegiance he could have easily been the poster boy you mention.

Too bad more here don't see that instead of having knee jerk reactions to those of us questioning police tactics..

27 posted on 02/17/2013 7:49:24 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: EXCH54FE

Would the well-trained sheep stop baaaing and assert their rights?


28 posted on 02/17/2013 7:49:43 AM PST by I want the USA back (Sheep have 2 speeds: graze and stampede.)
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To: theBuckwheat
Instead of taking this approach, let us start discussing how a Constitutional Convention would repair the relationship between the people and the government.

We can't get the Government to abide by the Constitution we have now, what good would a CC be?

29 posted on 02/17/2013 7:53:38 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: jakota
Sheeeese, we’re becoming a land of scofflaws.

When socfflaws are banned ...only outlaws will be scofflaws.

30 posted on 02/17/2013 7:56:26 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: EXCH54FE

31 posted on 02/17/2013 7:56:49 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: 19th LA Inf

“Well, the nation survived 15 years of widespread civil disobedience while the 18th amendment was in effect, and it was finally ended legally. I’m hopeful that we will get through this too.”

Your dreaming if you think that will happen. This will not end peacefully or “legally” ... only in bloodshed and hopefully with amerika divided into two countries ... a free state and they can have the slave state.


32 posted on 02/17/2013 7:57:05 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: JW1949

“he will call for martial law and invite UN troops in”

That won’t help him at all. They’d be outgunned, outmanned, on foreign territory, and undertrained. Further, after exercising their ‘rape right’ a couple of times, they’d all be found hanged from utility poles.


33 posted on 02/17/2013 7:59:22 AM PST by Glenmore
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I see Dorner as being a real life example of what a Henry Bowman might expect to be able to achieve given the set of tactical choices make by Dorner.

It's a life lesson.

34 posted on 02/17/2013 8:01:48 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sola Veritas

>>However, I disagree with you that the fight has been lost. When we can no longer vote, then the fight will have been totally lost. Until then we can throw the numskulls out of office....and that doesn’t require killing or being killed.

I honestly hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. We have reached the tipping point, more ‘takers’ than ‘makers’, and politicians of both parties that do nothing but pass laws each and every day to make us less free. When you have a lock on more than 50% of the vote, by promising free stuff and making someone else pay for everything, you can pretty much stay in power for ever and count on the unequivocal support of the takers.

Story, after story every single day about how our rights are being eroded, all in the name of ‘national security’ and no matter how egregious the government behaves, you can still count on huge number of people getting on board.

There was a survey done (can’t find link) that determined that nearly 1 out of 3 Americans would accept a body cavity search as a pre-condition to getting on a plane - if that is indeed true, then there is NO hope for this country. If 1 out of 3 people are willing to have a TSA agent stick his finder where the sun doesn’t shine as a condition of getting on a plane, how is it even possible that we can find 51% of the people that are unwilling to give up their guns?


35 posted on 02/17/2013 8:01:59 AM PST by qwerty1234
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To: qwerty1234

qwerty...no disrespect to you as I agree that many in this country have become sheep...however, as someone more insightful than me once said “soldiers, (or militia, or partisans), don’t fight because the hate who is in front of them, but because they love those who are behind them.”

This whole gun control debate isn’t about guns, isn’t about black metal and plastic objects(firearms), it’s about a free people’s ability to protect themselves and those they love standing behind them from those in front of them who want our guns so they can do things to us that they can only do if we’re unarmed.

I’m not a kook, I’m not an arm chair commando, I’m not even particularly brave...but I, along with millions of others will not consent to become slaves either.


36 posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:11 AM PST by Towed_Jumper (I fart in Mohammed's general direction!)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Thank You for speaking truth to adversity.


37 posted on 02/17/2013 8:06:19 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: qwerty1234

“The fight has been fought - we lost.”

Well, the proof is in the pudding, and the first armed shootout over the Second Amendment where LEOs come to take legally owned guns just because the law changed, hasn’t happened - yet.

And when it does, it will be The Shot Heard Round the World, II.

Consider this: the recent meteorite explosion in Russia was recorded on dashcams mounted in private automobles. Russian drivers have to deal with corrupt Russian police, and dashcams are their defense to record evidence of shakedowns or other malfeasance.

How many Americans have mounted dashcams due to fear of police brutality on our streets & highways? Very few, because most of us do not yet fear the police as unaccountable. But that’s changing and when/if police are sent to confiscate citizens’ guns, these incidents will be recorded, go viral, and start a revolution.


38 posted on 02/17/2013 8:06:44 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: RetiredArmy

“But, I can guarantee you, if he could take all our guns, he would.”

And people will take note of this, and when the SHTF, this man will be unable to walk the streets in your area, and if he does, he will quickly realize the folly of both his perceived power and his stated positions on the matter heretofore.

Yes, let them tell us what they think, it helps us to identify them and to form an appropriate response when the time arrives.


39 posted on 02/17/2013 8:21:07 AM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: elcid1970

>>Very few, because most of us do not yet fear the police as unaccountable

The police already are unaccountable in almost all cases - no matter what they do, even when its caught on film. You can read stories every single day where the cops literally, and figuratively, get away with murder day, after day after day.


40 posted on 02/17/2013 8:24:15 AM PST by qwerty1234
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To: EXCH54FE

I know folks behind enemy lines in NY. They have no plans on complying. The form of their disobedience is kinda up to the State at this point.

I’m in Mn. They pass this crap here... My “disobedience” may be a bit more active than they’d like.


41 posted on 02/17/2013 8:27:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

Well said.


42 posted on 02/17/2013 8:29:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: qwerty1234

Well said. The roast is done - actually pretty crispy. The only question now is how many people will refuse to eat it???

People like Sol Veritas, (not necessarily Sol per se), are the ones cokmprising that 1 out of 3 group that defy rational explanation of their beliefs and activities.


43 posted on 02/17/2013 8:31:09 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: Towed_Jumper
...I’m not even particularly brave...but I, along with millions of others will not consent to become slaves either.

I'm old. When I look back over my life, the things I regret most are those times when I failed to do what was right.

If I should happen to live another 20 years I could not live with the knowledge that when the time came to fight I did nothing, and in consequence my children and grandchildren lost their rights.

44 posted on 02/17/2013 8:32:02 AM PST by Max in Utah ("This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!")
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To: qwerty1234

It isn’t the cops we’ll be fighting. It’s those giving the illegal orders.

Cogitate on that for a while before you spout one more bit of cowardly idiocy...


45 posted on 02/17/2013 8:33:35 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: EXCH54FE
The Bolsheviks in Washington don't care if there's civil disobedience. In fact, they'd welcome it. They are just looking for an excuse to go Trotsky on some kulaks 'folks'.
46 posted on 02/17/2013 8:35:32 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: qwerty1234

Whew we ... another cart before the horse moment there liberal.


47 posted on 02/17/2013 8:37:11 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RetiredArmy

We seem to have a big problem with our Alabama state legislators!

Check out this link:

http://www.oanow.com/news/lee_county/article_08f697d6-78ae-11e2-b5a3-0019bb30f31a.html


48 posted on 02/17/2013 8:38:13 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: EXCH54FE

“We have a weapon more powerful… than any in the whole arsenal of the British Empire! That weapon… is our refusal!” - Michael Collins


49 posted on 02/17/2013 8:38:20 AM PST by Lexington Green (Keeping it real is keeping you down, Fool.)
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To: EXCH54FE
We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.<.I>

Non-violent civil disobedience is the answer ... liberal elites don't have enough jails to house the half of American citizens who own guns - OR believe in the Constitution OR both... And if they think they do, let them try...

50 posted on 02/17/2013 8:44:04 AM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own one’s risk - Jonathan Levy)
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