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To: Mr Rogers
You cannot accuse your neighbor of embezzlement, and then use discovery to see his bank records. You first need some EVIDENCE. Otherwise, you will never get to the discovery phase.

Of course there is [evidence], it's in the way things have been shuffled. (Butterdzillion has some good investigative material, evidence of microfiche tampering IIRC.) If you are given an order, which might not be legitimate you have the opportunity to challenge its validity, the LTC did this (he was basically told "shut it" by his superiors) -- this in itself is indicative of malfeasance possibly covering up ineligibility. -- Moreover, the "birth certificate" released on the white-house's website was a forgery, that too is indicative of ineligibility.

The interesting thing is how much [almost] EVERY challenge has been shot down, not due to lack of evidence, but "lack of standing" which means that it didn't matter how much evidence they had.

24 posted on 02/13/2013 5:28:08 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

1 - Standing is required in ALL cases. No court will hear a plaintiff who lacks standing. And if any harm you claim to have suffered is the same that everyone else in the country suffers, then you have suffered no individual harm - and thus lack standing.

2 - Lack of evidence is not proof of conspiracy.

3 - I’ve had commanders tell me to shut up many times. It isn’t “indicative of malfeasance”. It just means they think your complaint is stupid.

4 - A picture posted on a website is NOT evidence, in the sense of a legal document. Almost every photo I’ve posted on the web has been altered, normally to improve its quality.

Hawaii has maintained that Obama was born there. As long as the state of Hawaii is willing to claim that, you aren’t going to get a court to investigate the original certificate.

Butterdzillion is a patriot and good-hearted person. But honestly, her idea of proof and mine differ considerably. Her theories will not get a court to order Hawaii to produce any original documents.

“Greeley native Lakin was reportedly warned off his suit by sympathetic lawyers to no avail. Lakin has teamed up with the American Patriot Foundation, the group behind a website called “safeguardourconstitution.com.” He is the highest-ranking active duty officer to publicly challenge Obama’s natural-born citizenship and he seems intent to play a game of chicken with the president.

“If they court-martial [Lakin], it will be huge,” said American Patriot Foundation Spokesperson Margaret Hemenway. “They will risk making a martyr of him.”

http://coloradoindependent.com/50659/birther-army-doctor-lakin-refuses-to-deploy-his-greeley-family-supports-obama

Eventually, Lakin ditched the pee-poor legal advice he had received, and got a lawyer who was interested in protecting him. His argument was ridiculous, and his obeying all orders except deploying a contradiction.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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