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The Turret Gunner Was a She
Townhall.com ^ | February 8, 2013 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 02/08/2013 9:37:49 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
Greenberg the Moron speaks:
No, not every woman -- or man -- may be fit for combat, but now every trooper has a chance to qualify for it. Which is as it should be -- at last.

Yeah, I'm sure the Battling Bastards of Wake agreed with you, Pauly, especially after they got out of those Japanese prison camps, where they saw American nurses, captured in the fall of Bataan, raped repeatedly until they got pregnant, and then trussed up with their thighs together when their time was due, so they died screaming in childbirth. We could ask the nurses in question what they think about your satisfying little liberal chestnut, but like I said, they were all murdered by the Japanese.
21 posted on 02/08/2013 10:33:52 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin

Just being a trigger puller doesn’t make women have the capacity to do an offensive combat operation where brute strength, speed, and the mindset that are necessary for victory.

And furthermore, women being KIAs has nothing to do with combat effectiveness. Always see and read this sorry canard being played by the leftists.

Obama and the rest of the DUms have found their “Yes” girl in Dempsey.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 10:38:08 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: TurboZamboni
So I guess this means women will have to do the same PT test to the same standards as men.

Having done the PT test in basic back in the 60's, I would say passing the test wouldn't be that big of deal for a woman in good physical shape.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 10:39:32 AM PST by Starstruck (All goverments become tyrannical. Individuals determine when they do.)
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To: Red Steel
“Yes” girl in Dempsey.

Yes I am sure most of us have noticed how dumpster Dempsey clearly is doing the bidding of our Pharaoh president.

24 posted on 02/08/2013 10:42:16 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Kaslin

generally... the problem isn’t having women in the military... it’s the reduction of qualifying standards in order to allow them in. this leads to weaker then possible units... and when your life is on the line, you want to make sure you’ve done everything you can to minimize the chance of failure

this includes optimizing each member to the maximum potential for the role

being built weaker, by design, is not optimal... obviously


25 posted on 02/08/2013 10:44:58 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: verga
There was a recent Episode of "Last Man Standing" that featured an female Iraq war vet that had lost both her legs. She was a Turret gunner.

As soon as Tammy Duckworth got out of rehab in 2006 or 2005, she was instantly glommed onto by Dick Durbin and Rahm Emmanuel. They ran her in a conservative GOP CD in Chicagoland in 2006, I think it was. She almost won. As consolation prize, Obama put her at the VA (good idea), and then Durbin the Turban and the boyz ran her again last fall in another district that had been gerrymandered to get rid of a Tea Party Republican, and she won. Now she's a prize heifer in the New Dem Party ..... which makes me think she's probably gay to boot. No husband, no guy in her life, she was an Illinois National Guard Blackhawk driver and a captain when she got hit near the end of 2004 in Iraq. She's a double amputee, super attitude, good trooper, and now she's in Congress.

Just sorry to see Durbin the Turbin and The Impostor doing better for Iraq War vets than the GOP's perfumed princes.

26 posted on 02/08/2013 10:45:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin

My impression of Dempsey is that he is a tool.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 10:45:33 AM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Kaslin
To hell with 5000 years of recorded human history - the liberals' epitaph.

This article is gibberish.

28 posted on 02/08/2013 10:46:04 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
I don't like this guy.....I don't like his look....

You know how you sometimes look at someone and get that first impression....Well...I don't like this guy...

29 posted on 02/08/2013 10:51:47 AM PST by unread
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To: Kaslin

He’s already talked about lowering standards.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 10:55:13 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Just sorry to see Durbin the Turbin and The Impostor doing better for Iraq War vets than the GOP's perfumed princes.

None of which, he quickly added, reflects so much as a mote of dust on Pres. George W. Bush, who has been tireless in his devotion to veterans, disabled veterans particularly, and veterans' affairs.

If Barky had a pair somewhere, he'd appoint Dubya to the VA.

31 posted on 02/08/2013 10:59:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Starstruck

Basic PT is a joke. Can a women carry a 200 lb wounded man for a long distance and at the same time fire a weapon accurately, and keep on humping along through out the day having the ability to do it over and over again? A man may be called upon to do that. I can can do it but can a girl do it? I doubt it. Can a women fight hand-to-hand if need be and beat a man in a fight — I can do that too - again can a women do that? ...Not with any seriousness. They can however, sit back at a distance shoot from defensive positions, but that’s not taking it to the enemy in any offensive operations and be effective at the same time. If the enemy is ever on the same par with US in a fight, and your unit is filled up with women. You’re going to lose.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 10:59:20 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Baynative; verga

Fn A! That would have been my reply too, 50 years ago. There are many good comments following the linked article. One is on point IMO:

“His turret gunner got in a vehicle in a convoy of at least 4 vehicles

Because it was the CG’s vehicle it was not first although other times it may have been and did a short drive from one camp to A close by location or camp and then eventually returned to the original camp

We know it was a short trip or as CG he would have taken a chopper

The convoy was not intent on engaging the enemy and in fact with the CG they would try and avoid the enemy

That is a great job for the female gunner, I convoyed from Kuwait to Baghdad over 3 days and had several females in our convoy

That is totally different then an infantry unit going for two weeks into hostile ares looking to engage the enemy

Females are not suited for the Infantry”


33 posted on 02/08/2013 10:59:58 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Except that most rape victims in the military are men.

Mostly women but men do get raped. They need to clarify sexual assault though as it has a broad meaning. A grope is sexual assault and it happens a lot with foreign nationals. They include these in their reports and it looks like our military men are a bunch or rapists. A lot of the local desert denizens don't see women running around un-veiled.

34 posted on 02/08/2013 11:01:26 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Kaslin

A nation that believes women are somehow equivalent to men in form and function and treatment expectations, and sends them off to war to do combat, does not deserve victory in war.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 11:01:41 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Red Steel
If the enemy is ever on the same par with US in a fight, and your unit is filled up with women. You’re going to lose.

That noise you hear in the background is a posse of Chinese generals smacking their lips.

36 posted on 02/08/2013 11:02:37 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin

Based on what this clown said most Air Force guys would feel like second class citizens as they are not “warriors”.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 11:04:04 AM PST by USAF80
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To: mbarker12474
A nation that believes women are somehow equivalent to men in form and function and treatment expectations ....

Actually, I think nobody believes that, not even the policy proponents.

What they're doing is punching menu items on an ideological bill of fare that keeps the 'Rat Party together. This is the year the lesbians get their macho-girl itch scratched. Reality later.

38 posted on 02/08/2013 11:05:16 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Except that most rape victims in the military are men.

Which is why we need a bunch of double-Y-chromosomal sadists and perverts in the military. Makes sense to me!

39 posted on 02/08/2013 11:07:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
This article is about as shallow in its understanding of the real issues, as it is possible to imagine. With very little modification, it would be satire on a par with one of the voyages of Dean Swift's Gulliver.

Perhaps the most significant aspect of all mammalian life, is the profound differences of the sexes--the reality from which all continuing life emerges. Anyone who does not understand this, is very confused. Anyone who seeks to somehow change this via revolutionary policy decisions is beyond hope.

For a Conservative discussion of the Feminist Absurdity.

Frankly, it is not very reassuring--if this is how General Dempsey actually reasons--that he is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. God spare us, another War, while such people are in charge!

William Flax

40 posted on 02/08/2013 11:09:28 AM PST by Ohioan
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